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  1. Patters

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    Rush Limbaugh recently said that if Obama wins, it will be the end of the Republican Party. And the truth is, the Republicans face a really difficult situation whether Obama wins or not. Minorities of all kinds tend to favor a stronger role for the federal government than most Republicans favor, and as a result generally support Democrats. In addition, Democrats are well positioned and actively trying to connect with veterans, another group that benefits from government largess.

    On the right, you have an awkward coalition of traditional Republicans, conservatives, and libertarians. If that coalition is not enough to get Republicans elected to the presidency, how do they expand the coalition without jeopardizing other parts of it? It seems to me their main strategy if Obama gets elected is to hope the economy goes into a tailspin so that people become desperate for an alternative. But, that might not happen, and even if it does, the promise of cutting the safety net is not necessarily enticing.

    Given the reality of changing demographics, will the Republican Party survive? Who will be the new Republicans?
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    After what the GOP did to Ron Paul supporters I would not bet on the republicans getting the libertarian vote....
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    I don't know...I'm hoping someone like Jon Huntsman leads them out of the wilderness, though.

    You and Rush are not alone in your assessment....Laura Ingraham agrees.

    Laura Ingraham To GOP: 'If You Can't Beat Obama With This Record, Then Shut Down The Party' (AUDIO)
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    Starting in 2006, and then "officially" in 2008, the GOP was "finished". At least that's what I kept hearing. Then 2010 happened. Supposedly 2010 was the coming "end" for democrats, and now they're in a 50/50 race for the WH. So the end of days crap is really meaningless in a Coke and Pepsi system. Why? Cuz the "other" team only has to be as good as their opponents starter. When those starters are inept maroons like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, or complete novices like Barack Obama, the republicans (Coke if u prefer) will never be out of the game for long. The same applies for the democrats. When idiots like Mitch McConnell & Cries alot John Bonehead are running the show, the other team will always have a chance. This country has no capable, intelligent, experienced leadership. At all. The country will die before either of the party's do.


    What Rush might be right about, is that the republican party as he knows it might be cooked. The days of the neo-con are numbered.


    Forget the parties surviving. If the government doesn't get its fiscal house in order, it'll be the country that doesn't survive. Giving out free ****, while simutaneously running a welfare state (corporate, military, and civlian), has us on a path to implosion.
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    The GOP is not going to lose.

    So many people who voted for Obie in 2008 wouldnt vote for him as Dog Catcher.
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    These are opinion sharers not leaders... did the Democrats go away in 2005?
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    Obama's gonna win handily. I look forward to gloating when it happens.

    BTW: did you see Obama outraised Romney in August? Looks like the smart money can see the writing on the wall. And after Romney's Lehman moment today... hoo boy.

    Not ready for primetime!
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    Rush claimed that he was the leader of the Republican Party, and none of its "leaders" challenged him.. so what are we to assume.

    The "elected leaders" of the right are scared of that pill popping freak..
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    Thus Ezra Klein, Rachael Maddow and that Kos dude are the leaders of the Democrats? Please...
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    Well the Obama bounce is dissipating rapidly his response to the latest 9-11 attacks on the us won't help.

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

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    Yeah. Sorry. Not going to put any stock into a single GOP tracking poll.

    And as much as you'd love to pray that Romney didn't **** up massively today, he did, and everyone except the real mouthbreathers can admit it.
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    How bout the CNN poll from this week that had Romney +14 with independents? or the ABC WaPO poll showing the same thing... they have Obama +1 with the dems +10 in their sample:


    The MSM is trying to create a narrative and the voters aren't cooperating.
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    Can't wait for one of our retirements
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    Q : Where does the Republican Party go from here?


    This is a frickin Tee ball...but I'll swing.


    There is ONE country that takes a lot of the new conservative values and it rhymes with Somalia.
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    I don't know what's more sad and pathetic: that you're trotting out the same old partisan sample canard that was comprehensively debunked for you not once but twice, or that you think the MSM is in cahoots to rig all the polls in Obama's favor.

    Then again, I am talking to a guy who thinks Obama's secretly gay and that F&F is worse than Watergate. A rational mind? We report, you decide.
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    Just keep whistling through the graveyard.

    LAMBRO: Obama on track to have worst job record since World War II - Washington Times


    The old proverb is true. There is an axx for every seat.

    The Obama show is about to be canceled. Enjoy it while it lasts!
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    T-sizzle,

    FOX cancels popular shows, ask Seth MacFarlane.
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    Then why is the Obama WH suing them? Why is Obama even using them?

    Their claim is that Rasmussen charged too much like Obama is on some kind of budget.:rolleyes: Hes never been shy about spending every nickel before.

    The people with a "5 mile stare" still believe in Obama.

    Exclusive: No Record of Intel Briefings for Obama Week Before Embassy Attacks
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    Actually, it's whistling past the graveyard. And yes, Obama's job record isn't stellar when you include losses that preceded his administration. Unless of course you think he's Superman and should have flown around the world really, really fast to slow down the mid-GFC hemorrhage.

    Uh. Okay?
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    Is it really worth discussing this with you when you can't even get your facts right?

    First of all, it was Gallup. Second of all, the government joined as a party on the suit because they alleged Gallup overcharged them for their polling.

    While we're on the subject of Gallup polls, though, you'll notice they have Obama 50 - Romney 43 today, with O's approval up to 51 percent.
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    ROFLMAO

    No, they're not.

    That's Gallup they're suing.

    It would be really helpful if you'd occasionally bother to check what you're saying before you say it.
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    Well you won't have to worry about my opinions on 11/8 since you will be gone....

    As to the MSM yeah mostly they are carrying water for Obama 90%+ are going to be voting for him.

    They are oversampling dems to create a narrative.

    Can you say you believe that dem turnout will be +10 dem?

    Really? :singing:
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    Gone where? Unlike you, I could take Obama losing without devolving into an incoherent, profanity-laced tirade like you did after the Obamacare ruling. I imagine Romney's epic defeat will prompt a word salad from you of unprecedented proportions.

    So in your eyes, MSM = journalists only?

    Again, if you could read you'd know this doesn't mean, and doesn't have nearly the significance, you think it does. But since you apparently lack the means to a.) read or b.) accept information that challenges your preconceived notions, you'll continue to spout the same discredited talking points ad nauseum. I don't particularly mind, as it amuses me, though I do feel somewhat sorry you're so content to wallow in your ignorance.
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    How should a pollster estimate actual turnout? They obviously use a variety of approaches, and their methodology attempts to compensate for a number of variables. Pollsters do not simply sample and count. Their methodologies are more complex than that, I presume, and probably proprietary. The reality is that leading pollsters all come close to getting things right come the election.

    At least in 2010, Rasmussen did very poorly, showing their Republican bias didn't do their reputation much good:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...rate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/

    Exit polls also apparently oversample dems:

    Morning Jay: Are the Polls Skewed Toward Obama? | The Weekly Standard

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    that's like expecting a cat to not choke up a hairball...
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    epic...

    cons truly are losing their collective minds.... the spin is being ramped up to a whole new level with two months to go, and instead of gaining ground, they're rapidly losing ground...

    even better, we haven't even gotten to the TV debates, when the robot will be exposed even more.

    this is so rich and delicious, I almost feel sorry for the people who won't be able to post here any longer after Nov. 7.
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    2010 Polls D 35, R 35, I 30, no reason to sample D +10 unless you think it is 1972.
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    I am pre-gloating you misplaced exuberance and you leaving the political board with you pal TP.
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    i notice the more excited and angry you get, the worse your grammar becomes... and while I have no doubt you'll figure out a way to perma-ban me even when you lose the bet you never should have taken, I trust the forum will hold you to your end of it.

    You have two months to extrapolate rules and remove people from threads for offenses you are guilty of on a daily basis. Two months.
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    Fox news ran a clip of Laura Ingram (?)'s radio show, during which she said: "If the Republican Party can't find a way to beat a Democrat with a horrible record like Obama's, they need to end the party.Get rid of the cronies and start over"-words to that effect. If they lose, end it and start over with some new blood. I sort of agree with her actually.

    The Republicans need a Ronnie Reagan up there, but I read somewhere that they're grooming another Bush (not Jeb, another one-younger but a relative not a brother)-I forget his name and I don't remember where I read it either but I did read it somewhere recently :p

    The Repubs better come up with something because I get a feeling their next opponent will be Hillary.

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