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  1. Keegs

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    If the Patriots were illegally videotaping a team, and lied and said that they had permission, there would be an immediate investigation.

    The NFL is ignoring the Jets breaking the rules. That's how simple this is. They are showing a bias and treating teams differently. Certain rules apply to certain teams and the same rules don't apply to others.

    If they don't investigate, I would hope that we would start videotaping every game again and just lie and say that we had permission.

    That should put an end to that real quick.
     
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    bump....

    and i'm starting to think that BB should seriously start taping other teams and lying about having permission.

    The nfl would have to allow this, since they allowed the jets to do the same thing...

    So either they would allow the pats to do it, or they would punish the jets (and pats again).

    plus it would be funny.
     
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    the NFL has already swept this under the rug and said that no rules were broken.
     
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    well they are ignoring it b/c they choose to.. but rules have been broken.

    they LIED about having permission to tape.

    Now the pats should lie, every game, saying every team gave them permission, and tape everything.

    According to the precedent that the nfl set, that is acceptable behavior.
     
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    It's over, let it die.
     
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    it has just begun.
     
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    Never thought I'd say this but I'm with Keegs on this one.

    We have the NFL saying that if permission was given, no rules were broken.

    We have the Patriots clearly stating that no permission was given.

    The only thing for the NFL to do is investigate, request the tape, review the tape and at the very least fine the Jets for filming without permission.

    Otherwise they set the very clear precedent that a team can film without permission, as long as they claim to have received permission. And even if the other team states otherwise, the NFL will not investigate or fine a team for filming without permission.
     
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    i'm glad you agree.

    it is exactly what you say.

    what a load of horsecrap.
     
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    I think there should be an * next to their champio.....never mind.
     
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    It is, but this incident has cleared up what has confused us all about the original filming issue. It was never about filming or location or operating procedures or any other such nonsense. It was about intent. The NFL came down hard (after a warning) because they believed that Belichick's intent was to cheat. If the captured tape showed the defense on the field, cheerleaders or colorful birdies in the sky, the punishment would have been a slap on the wrist.

    The Jets and their cameraman with the "hall pass" was not investigated because the intent to cheat was not there. Even though it violated the letter of the rule in the same way the Pats did, the NFL isn't punishing a black-n-white rules violation.

    I'm not making excuses, just calling it like it is. You can break whatever rule you like and even get caught...but don't give the impression that you were trying to gain a competitive advantage. This doesn't lead to enhanced credibility, but it does allow the league to pick-n-choose how they interpret these situations (did you see the Jets story on nfl.com? didn't think so).

    Having said this, don't ask me to explain why the Dolphins getting back-alley purchased tapes and using them to steal signals is "just football". That explanation doesn't live in the land of logic and reason.
     
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    you need to get the ball rolling and plaster it everywhere on the internet.
     
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    It's time to drop it. The only way to shut everybody up is to pound them in mouth (speaking footballese).

    Saying look, Mom, they did it too, isn't going to change anything - even if it is justice.

    It's time to let it go and move on. The NFL has proven that it's either corrupt or incompetent, over and over again. Beat every team down and let actions speak louder than whines!
     
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    Keegs - I'd say email every sports writer you know... like Peter King there's usually someone who will refuse to drop something

    Of course King's a hypocrit as well accepting the NFL's word on one thing but concocting a conspiracy theory on another, but given the fact that Goodell just wants this story to "just go away" there might be a writer out there who recognizes he can make a name for himself.

    The bottom line is that if this stands, Goodell sets the precedent of letting all teams film whether they have permission or not.

    The Patriots say no permission was given - and the penalty for the Jets? Nothing.

    That makes it open season for everyone now. In a he says/she says situation Goodell will side with the team doing the filming on the road, with no risk of fines or penalty.
     
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    Goodell will not start an investigation of the Jets simply because

    of the fact he is beholden to them for giving him an internship with

    their organization. He is not capable of being impartial when the Jets

    are involved in a situation.
     
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    This off season the league sent a memo to all the teams to cut out the video taping. Perhaps the Jets incident was the reason the memo went out, but I have no idea. The pats were caught after the memo went out, and they paid the price. End of story, the only thing the Jets story does, is expose to the general public how common the video taping truly is, and should do away with the *'s some people wanted to attach to the Pat's wins.
     
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    The memo you're mentioning went out in Sept '06, not this past off season.
     
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    I want you to explain how stealing signs is cheating. Or give reference.

    The Jets incident has cleared up nothing. Explain any memo or communication from the league that backs up what you wrote.

    The response from Greg A flies in the face of previous league statements. Filming is ok with permission?? Where do I find that in the rulebook? Is the Jets type of filming not for coaching purposes?


    From Boston.com

    "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello wrote in an email. "Home clubs must provide visiting clubs with equal vantage points for the taping of games. Teams typically shoot coaching video from one upper 50-yard line location and one upper end zone location, but there are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

    (and we remember the following well)
    In the NFL's operations manual, it states that "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." Furthermore, all video shooting locations for coaching purposes "must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."


    Cleared up? Where is intent mentioned here? When is filming not done for a competitive advantage?
     
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    Basically the nfl has shown that it is ok to violate the rules as long as you are a bad team.

    this is ridiculous.
     
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    Not going to bad....lets see if i make sensce

    NFL = 32 owners with the richest top 5 owners running the show due to profit sharing margins - they pay the lower money making team.kraft is one of the key top players along with his bud blank and jerry.

    Goddell = works for the NFL the first spygate thing was for installing confidence to the paying public nothing to do with the patriots.

    goddell will not be allowed to go digging into this to effect the confidence of money paying public and effecting the game viewer ship.

    goddell is going to pick up a nice bonus this year for causing enough racket to generate some phenomenal incomes.

    ad slot on nfl network 85k is bumped to 200k for pats game
    pats got flexed 3 times and racked more money

    he is an operating officer who`s goal is make money for the owners and enough drama to sell his product.if he falls he is fired.
     
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