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  1. cdillon28

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    I'm a life long Pats fan and I have enjoyed watching what Bill and Scott have done with this team since taking over, but when will we stop with this "In Bill we trust" and start saying "In Bill we have some trust". I look at last season when Bill and Scott thought the system could replace Ty Law. They went and traded for Starks and we all know how that ended. Because of Bill and Scott's mistake the secondary was one of the worst secondary's in the league, and they still need to sure it up.
    Now we jump to '06 They have let Givens get away, completely shut out Willie Mac, and insulted Adam V. If they let all 3 of these player go (we know that Givens is gone) and try and replace them with "system player" i.e. cheap players, we could be in for a very long season. Just look at the Bisell/ Brown experiment. If Bill and Scott don't replace or either upgrade those positions (including the secondary) we are looking at a 9-7 or 10-6 season at best and possibly missing the playoffs.
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    R u serious!? Our defense was dominant at the end of the year, when it matters. We held teams to about 10 pts a game down the stretch, held the Jags to 3, and the Broncos would've had about the same if the offense, special teams, and officials didn't conspire against the D. As for our offensive problems, we all know that we were a healthy Corey Dillon away from being a dominant offense. Perhaps there a few free agency moves that didn't pan out, but the success of the draft more than made up for it.

    Oh, you're a troll, forget it then...
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    Maybe in 2015?
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    does this count towards the poll? Insulted Adam? Nevermind.
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    When we stop winning on a consistent basis I would imagine.
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    <<Now we jump to '06 They have let Givens get away, completely shut out Willie Mac, and insulted Adam V.>>

    I can't believe I'm even dignifying this stupidity with a post, but here goes...

    How did they "let Givens get away"? He signed for $24M with an $8M signing bonus. If you think he was worth that much money in the Patriots' system, you don't know much about football.

    How did they "completely shut out Willie Mac"? McGinest KNEW he would never see the final phantom year of that deal. He wasn't going to get the money he was slated for, by the Pats or by anyone else. He's currently testing the waters. Depending upon what he gets offered, he may or may not be back.

    How did they "insult Adam V"? He's been the highest-paid kicker for years now. They offered to make him the highest-paid kicker yet again. Adam, however, is being greedy, and wants to be the highest-paid kicker BY ABOUT A THIRD. Why does he deserve over $3M while other kickers are making $1.5M to $2M? Should the Pats overpay him for previous production? That's the mistake other teams make. Adam's already been WELL COMPENSATED for the Snow Bowl kick, and the SB36 kick, and the SB38 kick, etc.,. Stop looking at his past performance and look at what he is: an aging kicker who can't reach the end zone, and whose range is shortening from 50+ to about 45. Is he great under pressure? Yes. Is he good in bad weather? Yes. Which is why the Pats already offered him a huge salary (by kickers' terms). And, again, depending upon what he's offered, he may or may not be back.

    However, if you'd like to jump off the bandwagon, don't break an ankle.
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    heh....what's the over /under on a "Bring Back Carroll!!" thread?
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    In Bill We Trust

    I'm with you.

    I can't see why the Pats haven't made a more concerted effort

    to sign their own free agents. Outside of their exclusive rights free

    agents, they have signed 4 guys. All received minimum salaries with a

    couple receiving a very small signing bonus.
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    Are you 8 years old or something? It wasn't too long ago when we were the doormats of the AFC East. Enjoy the current ride. This is the golden age of the Pats.
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    As you know this, you should pass along some tidbits about what it was like to be sitting in on the negotioations. It must have been fun and it must be great to have had that inside info on how the discussions went.
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    Listen DUDE,
    I'M NOT JUMPING OFF THE BANDWAGON IGGY. I have an opinion that I shared with the members of this message board. Why is it that as soon as someone disagrees with BB or even question him he's an idiot or in your word "Stupid"? Why? The last time a checked this is a message board to post your opinions and maybe engage in intelligent converstaion. That's what I'm doing, like it or not!
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    maybe it'l lose it's shine when i run out of championship sweatshirts to wear.
    I'm wearing my 2003 afc champs one right now (in case anyone was wondering "what are you wearing right about now").
    i wore my SB 39 champs one yesterday. lol
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    Talk about Johnny-come-lately's, the two dissenting voices in this thread have a total of 11 posts. I may have to stop coming here until after the draft.


    And BTW Cdillon28 - Its' Beisel, not Bisell. A Bisell is a kind of vacumn cleaner.
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    this is a qualifier for the "it's all over" thread.
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    he last time a checked this is a message board to post your opinions and maybe engage in intelligent converstaion. That's what I'm doing, like it or not!

    like it or not you are not making sense...maybe you've been having "intelligent converstaion" with a stump under the influence of grain alcohol
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    Let's see now.
    First post with no courtesy introduction. - - - check!
    Proclaimed Patriot's fan in first post. - - - check!
    Relatively inflammatory first post attacking Bellichick and Pioli right off the bat. - - - check!
    Troll? Possible but not quite sure yet so give the benefit of the doubt. - - - check!

    As far as Bill & Scott go - - -

    Win a superbowl (36) - - - next year go to non-playoff season (but tied for best record in east division)
    Win 2 superbowls (38 & 39) - - - next year, have lost DC & OC, injured to beat the band but still win eastern division and go to playoffs, win 1st game, lose 2nd game by mostly beating selves.
    If this pattern holds we should win next 3 superbowls and then have another off year!! Yeah, I'll cut Bill & Scott a ton of slack!!! :D :D
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    You guys are killing me. I ask A simple question and all of a sudden it's freakin world war III. Take a chill pill people it's just a post. And for the person who noted how many post me and the other person of opinion have. I would like to share some info with you. I've been posting on this board since it was part of Rivals. I was using the name Pimpdaddy as a tribute to a good friend of mine in Providence RI. I changed it in 2004 when Patsfans.com went to this format and I chose cdillon28 as a tribute to Corey Dillon (my son's favorite player). I have not been able to do much posting becasue I was in Iraq the past year serving this great country of ours. But I'm home now and I hope to contribute regularly to this forum. Go Pats, but In BB I only trust some times.
    whoo- rah!
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    You get a LOL for that, T-Shirt!!!
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    Thanks for your service and welcome back.

    However, I will trust BB & Scott until they prove themselves wrong. I sincerely believe if we hadn't had so many injuries last year, we would have claimed SBXX.

    Yes, even Strarks would have been a good addition if his shoulder hadn't been so bad.
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    The answer to your question is you trust someone when things seem uncertain.

    You trust someone because they have come through for you in the past.

    You trust someone to do the right thing when there is no evidence yet.

    If someone has to make all sorts of noise to reassure you they are doing something, you never "trusted" them in the first place.

    You only trusted them in hindsight after they were completely successful, that is won the Super Bowl.

    Either you never trusted Piolichick in the first place, or you don't know what trust means.

    I prescribe one very large chill pill.
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    Welcome back. Glad you're one of the lucky ones that made it. Know the feeling well but different war.

    Hell, I liked Dillon all the years he was on the Bengals. Go ahead and post your butt off, however I'll continue to trust BB until he really screws up big time which hasn't happened yet. I'm just still overjoyed after suffering the 40 years of mostly crap teams the Pats had in the past.
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    I'm jumping off the bandwagon, too. It's been over 13 months since BB has won anything in this league.

    He's probably thrown in the towel, and the fire has gone out in his belly.

    It's because he's cheap and the Pats won't pay their players.

    How did we just let Givens walk without matching his 25mil offer?

    Also, we should have let Willie count 8mil against the cap.


    Does this pretty much sum up the arguments of all the absolute morons who must have the shortest memories imaginable?
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    Welcome back, and thank you for your service.

    You would have received a different response if you introducedyour self.

    You asked a serious question. One answer was 2015 which seems about right.
    We were in the playoffs last year, despite the injuries. I think the season was a success. I think this decade is a success, and that this decade's pats are one of the best teams of all time.

    I think that your assessment of the 2006 secondary and the choices made in grossly off mark. At one point we were looking at Chad Scott, Poole, Samuel and Gay as our corners, with Wilson and Harrison at the safeties. We had plenty of youth backing them up: Guss Scott, Sanders, Hobbs. Five of these ended on IR. Is Pioli responsible or bb? And yes, I would have preferred Law to Starks.

    Givens signed for $5M a year. AV wants more than $3M. Willie is checking around to see what he's worth.

    What teams will succeed over the last four years of the decade. Will they be those who gave away tens of millions in the first week of free agency after the CBA was signed. Or rather, will it be those teams that sat back and used their cap money more wisely. How many have been signed by the pats, PITT and PHIL? I think these teams have always spent their cap money wisely, although I though PHIL should have spent more after the draft last year.

    The BOTTOM LINE is that fans whine every year about the inaction of the pats in free agency. The question in the end is how well they spend the cap money, and how many times the team wins playoff games and the SB. bb and pioli have an incredible record so far this decade. I don't think there will be any question in four years. The job done by pioli and bb in managing the 2000-2009 patriots will be looked back upon as the best job ever by Management. I don't know how many Super Bowls, how many coaching and managing awards and how many wins it will take to convince you.

    And just BTW, I would rather pay KJ $2M a year than pay Givens $5M a year. That is simply good management of resources. There are only 24 players signed for 2007.






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    Trust Bill. Do not lose faith, oh ye wandering soul. He has a greater plan.
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    Anyone else think some of us are turning into what yankee fans are. Their team doesnt win and its all over. They dont go get the best player at every position and its all over?
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    I was looking at the thread and...at first..I wondered how serious it was...Mgth's was a great response to it...made much sense...but HUH??? Lose it's shine?? Does not compute at all...The team went to the playoffs..was injured and had the hardest start to ANY season of any NFL team and...the shine?? Do not understand at all...AT ALL!!
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