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When has this happened before?? AND how was it dealt with???

Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by Pats726, Jul 13, 2006.

  1. Pats726

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    Just asking a question on an historical note...as the US is having many fronts both militarily and diplomatically
    1----The war in Iraq that is turning into a quagmire
    2----The war in Afghanistan as that country is reverting to drug lords and away from what was accomplished..getting worse
    3----North Korea's growing more nuclear with longer range missles
    4----Iran's growing threat of becoming nuclear
    5----The Israeli war with the Palestinians Gaza, Lebanon..growing like wild fire out of control
    And besides the "war on terror", there are numerous other hot spots that could flare up quickly....
    My question is when if ever has the US been facing so many different threats all at once??? Has this happened before?? And who dealt with it and how did they do in dealing with so many balls in the air juggling??
    Forget the politics of this..it is scary..especially with Bush leading the charge. Is he capable of dealing with all of these?? WIll he be able to?? I really wonder IF he can..or does he just see it all as the "Rapture" cometh.
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    Yes that is scary, but imganie this nightmare, having Kerry/Gore deal with it.
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    This coupled with the massive deficit, no resolution on an equitable way to deal with immigration, under funded pensions (Both SS and municipal/state), an economy that favors outsourcing and underpaying of workers .... makes me very concerned for my children and grandchildren. I am somewhat of a history buff, but not sure that besides the Civil War has so many issues confronted this country at one given time. All the while we have a president who is the great decider and is always right, a congress who is more concerned about getting re-elected than taking care of this great country and a very maligned judiciary. All the while this country is polarized and everything is framed as politically right or politically left... something needs to happen here, and what it is ain't exactly clear.
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    I didn't even wish to get into the massive problems internally...which makes it even MORE difficult..and??? That makes it seem even like a larger hole...I've tried to see if there are anything close and...NOT really. SUre there have been foreign threats, WW2..BUT, the country was united it it's opposition to Hitler and Japan..far from the turmoil that is brewing in this country. I agree...divided..and made MORE so by the so-called 'decider" who claimed how he wished to unite the country. You step out of line, the man come and take you away.....
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    Well, the period between 1964 and 1975 was marked by the Vietnam war, even stronger polarization inside the country than we have now, the Civil Rights struggle (with its own violent side-effects), the rise of the youth culture, the continuation of the contest between the Soviet Union and the US and Watergate.

    Some openly worried, at the time, whether or not the US could survive this kind of stress and division, marked on one end with the Cuban Missile Crisis and on the other end with the first Presidential resignation in US history, and peppered with events such as the riots at the Democratic Convention in Chicago in 1968 and the shooting of Kent State students, as they protested the war, by the Ohio National Guard.

    Is this comparable to the current situation? Not exactly, but then history never repeats itself, regardless of the old saying, at least not precisely.

    As for the national mood, having lived as an adult through both periods, I think it was worse then than it is now. Perhaps we have become more inured to it.

    Whether or not Bush can deal with all of the current crises is almost beside the point. The point is, can WE deal with the stress that comes from reading the morning's headlines? And, by the way, you forgot global warming and high gas prices. I personally think we can and will, although we will--but not with any particular grace.
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    #37 Jersey

    That is without a doubt the single funniest and at the same time dumbest thing you have ever said on this board.

    That list 726 came up with is just wishful (how pathetic) DNC over the top talking points.
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    If you disagree with 726's list, EaglesLand, why not point out the errors? You may find blanket condemnation satisfying, but in my experience, it rarely wins debates.
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    #37 Jersey


    1. Iraq war is not a quagmire.

    2. Kharzi's government is very strong and leading Afghanistan in the right direction.

    3. NK couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with a missle, and are issolated, if nessacary thier Nuke facilities can be taken out easily.

    4. Israel is doing what a country that puts up with what they do, finally having enough and it is about time their terrorist nieghbors anr finally getting what they deserve.


    See making a list isn't so hard.
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    #37 Jersey

    Oh I see , only left wingers are granted the right to pull lists out there ***** and claim them as fact?

    Once again you have proven to be a senile old man who is a drain on the tax payers and are a sucker from the government nipple, you can't make it on your own so you need the welfare pandering democrats in office. Now you will sell everyone security down the drain for it. Sick bastard, you need help.
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  10. Mainefan

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    From the American Heritage Dictionary:

    "quag·mire (kwăg'mīr', kwŏg'-) pronunciation
    n.

    1. Land with a soft muddy surface.
    2. A difficult or precarious situation; a predicament."

    Clearly, Iraq does not fit definition 1. But, EaglesLand, can you honestly say it doesn't fit definition 2?

    As for Kharzi's government, from what I've read, he governs Kabul and not much more. And unless you disbelieve all the reports, the Taliban are gaining strength in the south. Also, the "virtue police" are back, ordering women to cover their heads, etc. For me, this is not the right direction, although you may disagree.

    North Korea: They haven't had a missile success--yet. But they could have one tomorrow. Anyhow, missiles aren't the only way to deliver atomic bombs. Would it be impossible to put one in a ship and send it to one of America's coastal cities?

    Israel: While I understand why Israeli is reacting the way it is, this seems to me a major detour from the road to peace. You don't agree?

    NEM: Wouldn't this have been a better answer to Eagleland than questioning his intelligence and maturity?
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    #37 Jersey

    You post the most hateful, foul mouthed name calling messages on this board and you say that about me? Go to hell, NEM.
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    This from the guy who considers Saddam Hussein the duly elected President of Iraq.
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    I would think that Mainefan's comment to PFIEL would aslo apply to your post.

    I'm not speaking for Mainefan.

    Edit: He just did while I was posting this.
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    Come on, MaineFan, you know darn well that when people refer to Iraq or Vietnam or whatever as a "quagmire" they aren't sitting there with a dictionary in their hands saying "I only mean it is a predicament or a precarious situation."
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    Amen to that. Let it never be forgotten that the Palestinians, Hezbollah, Iranians, etc, will stop at nothing short of the complete elimination and/or annihilation of the State of Israel. Any talk of the "Palestinian people just want their land and then we will have peace" is just a complete load of bullcrap.

    Furthermore, let it not be forgotten that these people are very much in bed with each other. As noted in today's Globe, it is not a coincidence that the Hezbollah acted on the same day Iran's decision was due to be presented to the UN.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Israel uses this current skirmish as an excuse to finally attack Iran's nuclear reactors. If they decide to do that, then may the Lord be with them on their noble and righteous mission.
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  16. Mainefan

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    Yes, QuiGon. In common current usage, "quagmire" has come to refer to a long, drawn-out, apparently unwinable war. I don't know if you think Iraq fits that description, but I think you have to admit that it doesn't seem wildly unreasonable to use that word in connection with what's happening there.
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    Well as reported wiht links on another thread in the last month Iraqi's have taken the lead in 90% of operations with 33% involving no US assistanence. The result is 9 (the lowest rate in 2+ years) US fatalities to date this month. That would seem to speak against a quagmire.
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    I would say it is meant clearly as having negative connotations, wouldn't you...? Please don't tell me that you call the War in Iraq a "quagmire" you simply mean it to be a "difficult or precarious situation".

    NOTE: I am not addressing the point of whether Iraq is a quagmire or not. I am just saying that when someone refers to it as a quagmire, they are using that word with a much more negative connotation that what the dictionary definition might say.

    EDIT: I think Mainefan has provided above an excellent definition of what people mean when they use the word "quagmire" to describe the War.
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  19. QuiGon

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    Um, do you ever know what the word "duly" means...?
    I agree. It's amazing how shameful the left was then and how shameful the left is now. Here's a question I know you won't answer: Do you consider Jane Fonda a traitor to her country who should be executed...?
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    I don't want to argue whether or not Iraq is a quagmire (another thread for another day) and I honestly think you have some good points in your post here. While I may not agree entirely, you are correct in saying it is not "wildly unreasonable" to use that word.

    I have definitely admitted that while I support the war, it has not been a well run campaign and the blame for that lies at the highest levels of government. And I thank you for agreeing that the common usage of "quagmire" goes beyond what dictionary.com might define it as.
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