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  1. fgssand

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    NOt sure if this was posted (sorry for reposting if it was - mods, please merge if it was).

    This article really puts things in perspective for me........

    "Mark Lepselter -- whose firm, Maxx Sports and Entertainment, represents former Patriots wide receiver David Patten -- said this is a valid trade but could be a landmark situation for the league. "

    "“I can’t recall a situation like this ever before when a veteran player refused a trade or refused to report to his new team,” Lepselter said. “Eventually, if he just refuses to go, the commissioner is going to have to get involved.”


    Seymour Might Not Show Up in Oakland, But He Won't Be Back in New England - New England Patriots - NESN.com
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    Jake Plummer against Tampa Bay.

    It already set prescident.
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    I don't see any way that Goodell can just "step in". The trade is valid under the CBA, and has been deemed valid by the NFL. There's no basis for a grievance from Seymour and/or the NFLPA, just because Seymour was traded to the Raiders. There's no question that the sides operated in good faith, with the Pats fully expecting Seymour to report to Oakland. The Commissioner can't just jump in because Seymour is being a baby and is creating a mess.

    Goodell was hired by and reports to the owners, and to undermine a valid trade with no basis would likely result in a mutiny. Such a move would open the door for players to exert much more control over where they play. This is already probably a bit of a sore spot after the Jay Cutler fiasco in Denver, where the player was able to make things miserable enough for the organization to effectively force a trade.

    It's Seymour's right to hold out on Oakland if he is unhappy. Oakland has some remedies available, and there are repercussions for Seymour. But the Commissioner can't just ad hoc change the system because it has resulted in a god-awful mess in this case.
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    Only a precedent for players willing to retire. I doubt that's Seymour's plan.

    To answer the original question, this is already a total clusterf*ck, Jolly Roger needs to (if he hasn't in private) make the parties understand that the Raiders need to send the 5 day letter to Seymour and his agent.
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    No, but Jolly Roger can make it clear that he is Oakland's property and there's so much misinformation in the media.
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    That would be a good thing. As far as I can tell, the league office has already said that it is a valid trade pending a physical.
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    If Goodell steps into this situation and nullifies the trade , he will put an

    irrrevocable crimp in the trading process. Players would refuse to be

    traded from good teams to bad teams or from rich teams to poor teams.

    All they would have to do is refuse to report for their physicals.

    Player's agents would love to see this happen.
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    you just made the case for why it will never happen.
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    well said. nothing to add.
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    Thats my point though BF.
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    Got it. Indirect sarcasm is lost on my slow mind today :)
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    Different set of circumstances.. There was no precedent set.
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    Seymour is already in violation of his agreement. The NFL players contracts have the stipulation that states all players are to report ASAP to their new team in the event of a trade. Read it at the website last night.

    The monkey wrench is Al Davis. Is he going to be happy giving up a 1st round pick for the sake of filing a grievance against Sey for a couple mil. bucks?

    Or is he the type that brings some heat to the league that since he never got to see if Seymour was even physically fit enough to play the game, he shouldn't be held to his agreement?

    Plummers case is similar but different. The trade happened before camp, he retired, after he retired the Bucs and Broncos redid the trade agreement and made it a 7th rounder, then eventually joined in filing a grievance against Plummer.
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    The trouble is that the media is showering us with speculation.

    Mike Florio is the worst offender. Oakland is probably sitting

    tight and hoping not to exacerbate the situation by having to send

    out the 5 day letter and rile up Seymour even more.
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    I am assuming it is the Raiders who have to give Seymour his 5 day letter. If so, does anyone know what the time frame is for this letter? Can the Raiders wait for weeks, or months, to do so?
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    The Raiders can wait as long as they wish sending out the letter.

    I assume they are hoping not to rile Seymour further by sending

    the letter.

    The thing that is amusing in this situation is that only four days

    have gone by since the trade. Sometimes, players hold out six games

    to prove their point.
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    If so it would really suck if the Raiders no longer wish to employ Seymour and are in no hurry to issue to him the letter.
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    There's nothing to stop one team from filing a grievance with the NFL league office against another. Suppose Oakland stalls on Seymour, and he doesn't report until week 6, and then they flunk his physical, voiding the trade. Under the CBA the Pats don't have the right to contest the results of Oakland's physical. But they can file a grievance if they believe Oakland has acted in bad faith, depriving them of Seymour for 6 weeks.
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    I would suspect that Al would simply argue that he didn't want to jeopardize any possible long term relationship with Seymour by sending him the nasty letter!

    It's not costing Al anything while Seymour stays away correct?
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    Someone mentioned that Schefter "tweeted" he would get his weekly game checks being on the active roster. Now, who knows how accurate that is.

    Another thing is that Al Davis is one stubborn and strong willed dude. He may not even think about trying to rescind the trade to save face, and instead make Seymours life hell.
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    First Goodell should not "step in" and do anything official. I would be shocked if he did. The process is already in place.

    I understand what may be going on with Seymour. First he was pissed. Then he want some sort of concession from Oakland. He either wants a long term deal with lots of $ or he wants a non-franchise after this year agreement. The only thing he can do is not show up if this is what he wants.

    Now if Oakland sends him the letter, that changes the situation for Seymour. Then he has to decide to show up or lose his FA status next year.

    In any event he is now Oakland's problem now. The only way that the deal gets reversed is if he fails a physical. I don't think that is likely.

    I do wish Richard the best of luck, except when he plays againts the Patriots. I hope that he gets lots and lots of Al Davis' $ and put them in cap hell for many years to come.
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    I know Patriot fans want to talk them into this being all on the Raiders now. But even when reading the above, "Pending" is just like a "Yeah But". It's that little part that means it really isn't finalized. What is really being said is there are 10 parts to a process and everything up to part 9 is complete and those parts are finalized, but you have to have all 10 parts or the other 9 mean nada.

    If he actually never does report, my guess is the Comish will tell the Pats to work a deal with another team, like the TO deal. Everyone comes out a bit of a loser between the Raiders/Pats instead of one side getting completely robbed. The team that ends up with Seymuor is the one that gets the deal in all of this. So in this case the real winner isn't even identified yet.
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    So, if he is on the Raiders gameday roster as of now, and he receives a paycheck, is that the same as taking the physical for this deal to go through?
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    Wrong. Just reported that the Raiders have already delivered the 5 day letter to him. Seymour's their property and is subject to what they decide to do to him. The Pats have the pick and are out of the picture.
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    Well, I guess the Raiders just sent him the 5 day letter.

    Update on the Richard Seymour situation

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    Virtually unrelated due to Plummer's retirement. IIRC, Plummer was retired before the trade (or at least had announced it).
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    Well ok. If it plays out where he never reports and the Raiders are out the pick, the NFL just jumped the shark with me. They'd probably get some type of compensetory pick.

    I just don't get how it's final without showing and taking a physcial, hello new loop-hole. The only fault I see on Davis on this one, is still wanting him to come. Why would you want someone that doesn't want you?
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    Because Al was nuts before he became senile. Now, he's both. If you want proof, go to profootballtalk.com and read the latest.
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    Owned. Again...

    Probably because Al is in denial, where he's resided ever since the Tuck Rule was enforced on a snowy field in Foxboro, and can't fathom that an elite player would not want to play for his illustrious Black and Silver who were in the SB just 6 seasons ago...

    For some reason he's never held that against Bill. But Richard best be careful because Al is nothing if not vengeful and Lombardi says he plans to outlive everyone who has ever crossed him...

    Tick tock...
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