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What's your opinion on the extent of constitutional rights?

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How far does the constituion go?

  1. It gives rights to citizens and legal residents that cannot be taken away.

    61.5%
  2. It gives rights to ONLY citizens that cannot be taken away

    30.8%
  3. It gives rights, but the rights can be taken away from certain people by the executive branch.

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  1. Pujo

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    How far does the constitution go? Lots of people here seem to argue that some people shouldn't have rights. I'm curious which ones.
     
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    The strength of the constitution is that is defines many things without qualification, when we make situational changes our freedoms become challenged and fragile.
     
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    I feel positively Nixonian now... the 5-1 early poll results in favor of the more robust reading of the constitution's extent seems to indicate one thing, whereas the bluster of a few dedicated right wing activists had me thinking everyone on Patsfans except a few were on the "other side". I am on the verge of postulating a great silent majority...

    PFnV
     
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    Everybody, man women child and all their dogs and cats should have rights in this country but shouldn't a line be drawn when the abuse of those rights starts to threaten the very existance of the people and the country itself.

    Shouldn't a line be drawn when an enemy is using those rights to destroy those rights.

    Shouldn't those rights be taken away from someone who is using those rights to KILL us.

    Get them or kill them before they get us or kill us.
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    Not much PRAISE for the Law Enforcement people in the Left Wing Media today that worked for 18 months to catch the Muslims yesterday who wanted to blow up JFK Airport and half of Queens.
    (hope they didn't violate their rights)

    Somebody is protecting America, "good work"
     
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    Where is the fourth choice?:
    "It gives rights to everyone on the planet. There is nothing in the Constitution that restricts the rights in it to any group such as "citizens" or "legal residents".
     
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    ....edited for last sentence
     
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    Actually our rights are given by God (check the Declaration of Independence). The people give powers to the government, to maintain an orderly society. The Bill of rights articulate our rights which are inherent.
     
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    Ignoring that the declaration of independence is not a legally binding document in any sense of the term, as a practcal matter it doesn't make a difference what our rights' ultimate origins are, the legal origins matter. This makes sense, even if you believe your rights come from God, how pissed would you be if a judge started enforcing his view of the bible. Remember, there are hundreds of Judeo-Christian denominations, each with their own interpretations and rules, which is why we Americans codified our laws in a common way, so we don't have argue on the finer points of God's will.
     
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    No meat on Fridays! It's in the Constitution!...or something.

    Why do people feel the need to inject "God" into every single friggin thing? It's like a demented old man worrying about the Japs invading California, fakrissakes.

    Just for entertainment, patsfan13, how exactly did God communicate such a message to the Founding Fathers? In dreams? Pony Express? Did God forget about the Americans who were here before the Europeans and the Africans who were treated like livestock? What the fu-k was he thinking or is he just poor at multi-taskiing?

    Can we please just have ONE discussion without GOD?!
     
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    Lets All Go Down To The River
    There's A Man Walking On The Water
    Come Along With Me
    For I Want To See
    That Man, Walking On The Water
    :bricks:

    "Dear God, please help me kill that f-cking bastard"
     
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    When rights are inalienably vested by God they can't morally be taken away by a governing body. OTOH when rights are GRANTED by government then government has the right to take them away. This is a crucial difference between the notion of rights as defined in America and other parts of the world. He old Soviet Union had a wonderful sounding constitution, but in practice the results were quite different.
     
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    As far as I know, any rights enumerated in the constitution could be taken away by amendment, and all that'd be left would be a direct appeal to God. However, I'm glad that you're on the side of rights being, for the most part, inalienable.
     
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    Again (refering back to the Declaration of Independence one of our founding documents) If something in the Bill of Rights were repealed it would constitute ground for the overthrow of the government.
     
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    Or terrorists like Osama Bin Laden?

    I didn't answer cuz the options are far too vague, and I wouldn't want to labelled by a restricted response.
     
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    Um, it's kinda hard to not talk God when it's written in the Declaration of Independence. Don't hate on those who recite what was written 200+ years ago.
     
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    It might give you what you feel is moral grounds, but those are subjective and vary from person to person. It would, of course, not give you any legal grounds, if your overthrow attempt failed, you would not get to successfully use the Declaration as part of your defense.
     
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    The Declaration doesn't carry the force of law. Don't forget that between the time it was written and the time our constitution was ratified, we tried (and failed) with a completely different system of government (the Article of Confederation).
     
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    Bingo. Im often amazed that you, an immigrant, has this level of understanding of US civics...whereas some others...oh nevermind.
     
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    We can have a discussion about the Declaration, but I thought this was about Constitutional Rights outlined in the Constitution.
     
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    I didn't make the rules.
     

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