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  1. rodrust

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    What’s wrong with Randy Moss wanting to get paid? Would any of you chumps take a pay cut just to work for a great company? I don’t want to hear the argument that he can afford it. Question still remains, would you take a substantial pay cut to switch to an employer that is ‘world class’? Many on this board couldn’t even afford to think about that. Yes, greedy as it sounds, in the end it’s about money. Rings are great, but even if you hawk them on Ebay, they don't provide for a nice financial future.
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    There's nothing wrong with it - but he did specifically say that he wouldn't try to break the bank for the Patriots like he would for other teams. So he may not exactly be living up to what he said.
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    Some people do. I know people who're self employed and make less money than they could working for someone else--but there's more to life than making money.

    But to answer your question, there's nothing wrong with it, per se.
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    Yeah, I took a paycut to work for a better company. My brother has done the same thing in his line of work too.

    In fact, Tedy Bruschi did it as well. Funny thing is, Tedy never had to play for the veteran minimum, and in the end he ended up earning MORE money by taking less because the Patriots never had to cut him because of an onerous contract.

    My brother had a headhunter come after him to head a new unit of a big bank. The offer came with a raise of 45%. Three years later that bank axed the new unit. It was a failure, and everyone lost their job. That was 6 years ago. Hmmm, I wonder what the old execs at that unit are doing now.

    The grass isn't always greener. Quality of life matters. Randy Moss said the same exact thing. He played for the Raiders and made big bucks. I heard he wasn't happy.
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    Change of heart. Had to cut his spending for a year and ended up without a ring and can see his worth on the open market. Once your out of the NFL your earnings potential drops off no matter how many steakhouses you own or products you shill. Nothing like financially setting yourself and your family up for a lifetime early in the game. Money in the hand is worth many SB rings in the bush.
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    I'm not going to argue it - but he comes across as a hypocrite, that's all. Said one thing doing another. That's his right but it's also the right of people to be turned off by it.
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    I guess you hit the nail on the head there. Randy has to make some big boy decisions. You're right, either it's about the money or it's about the quality of life. Point well taken.
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    There is nothing wrong with Moss wanting $$$.
    I just wish that the damn deal would get done.
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    yes, this is what's "wrong" with Moss wanting money.

    He said he wouldn't do exactly what it appears like he is doing now.

    kinda crappy if you ask me.

    That's why i don't really give a damn if he comes back.
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    Nothing wrong with it.
    Nothing wrong with the Patriots not wanting to bind themselves into a crippling contract either.
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    You don't know what he's doing. For all you know, they've had the contract done in principle for a week now.

    Or he could just want more cash.

    But sweeping general statements aren't productive, and usually aren't accurate.

    In other words, why get mad at him for doing something you can't be sure he's doing? There will be plenty of time to be mad at him once we have facts.

    :D
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    Best part is, he is worth every penny he asks. Sign him.
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    Watched my brother take a pay cut for quality of life too. He was fast-trackiing at Deloitte and Touche when his kids were young. He was moving up quickly, and getting recognition there. He didn't like the fact that he was missing so much of his kids' lives so he took a pay cut to work as the CPA for a smaller company. He bought the company a few years ago and now has the best of both worlds. He's got money to burn (and I mean Moss money) and works his own hours now.

    Bottom line is that chasing the dollar isn't always the best thing to do. Sometimes not chasing the dollar works out better. If my brother was still at D&T, he'd probably be doing well but by taking the job for the smaller company, he learned the business, what its potential was, and when the owner was ready to retire, he was able to convince the bank he was worth the risk and the rest is history.
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    that's why i used the word "appears"

    because i knew someone would read my post , try to find a word they didn't like, and complin about it
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    No he didn't. He took a tremendous pay cut to play last year. what do you think he is, some kind of chump?

    We owe him, not the other way around. If we don't pay him a salary comparable to what he could get elsewhere, it's on us.
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    Sure he did. He said he wouldn't break Kraft's bank but would for any other owner. I'm not saying he should have said it, should do it, owes it to us or Kraft, Brady or anything. Simply that he said it.
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    I am glad things worked out for your brother. Quality of life in layman's lives is equal to a chance at a Super Bowl for a guy like Randy. Dallas/GB/Indy, etc give him similar chances to reach that goal...and if they ever gave him an offer that left our offer high and dry...he should take it.

    Money isn't everything...but it is a lot of things.
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    How do we define 'breaking the bank?'
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    "Break Kraft's Bank" is an expression. If you want to take it literally, it means he'll accept a contract under 1.1 billion dollars.

    Now that that's out of the way, he gave us a tremendous deal and he'd rather play for us than a loser. He still wants his money and he damn well deserves it.
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    See above.:D
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    Who was complaining? And that's why I put the green smiley guy in there.

    Lighten up.
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    I get so tired of hearing this nonsense. I've taken several 'pay cut' situations in my life, including the biggest one where I decided that living where I wanted to was more important than making big money. As a result of that decision, I make hundreds of thousands of dollars less each year than I could potentially be earning elsewhere. I don't expect everyone to make the same decisions, I just get tired of greedy people assuming everyone is like they are. For many of us, it's not about money.
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    That's not crappy, it's just good old fashion business. That's how it works.
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    So he said he's not going to break the bank, he'd give the Patriots a discount...
    If he doesn't sign with the Patriots, could it simply be that he said:

    Moss: "I'll give you guys a 20% discount, but anything less is insulting"
    Patriots: "We value you at 9 million/year"
    Other team: "Moss, we want to give you 12mill/year"
    Moss: "BB, can you give me 9.5/year?"
    Patriots: "Nope, we can give you 9"
    Moss: "Other team, sign me up"


    I can definitely see the above scenario happenning, and no one would be at fault. I trust BB/Pioli's ability to assess value to talent. I also would not blame Moss if BB/Pioli aren't willing to come close to what another team would.

    Moss gave us one great year at a deep discount. Anything more is gravy
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    Of course I would! If your family is really struggling, then you have to go after every extra dollar. But once you reach a basic level of comfort -- and that level is certainly an individual decision -- you have to start weighing costs and benefits. How much is it worth to you to spend five+ days a week, every week, feeling miserable? How many dollars make it worthwhile to come home every night stressed and short-tempered so your family keeps their distance? And what is extra "luxury" money for if not to make your life better?

    That being said, my answer to your title question ("What's wrong with Moss wanting $$$$?") is "not a thing." If I could earn top dollar AND take the job of my choice, so much the better. My hope is that Randy is exploring free agency with his first priority being to emerge with a better contract from the Patriots, which is fine with me.
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    Yeah guess your right. But there are economies of scale. Someone making $50k a year and taking a $10k pay cut is monsterous. Not at all like a big swinger like you taking a cut of ' hundreds of thousands less each year' on your multimillion dollar salary.
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    I can understand the argument that nothing is wrong with Randy wanting money but how many millions does he need?

    It's not like the Pats are asking him to play for charity or for free. He is still going to make more than most of us will ever see in our lives.

    I love Moss, my dad is one of the biggest Viking fans I know but I'm starting to think less of him the more I read he just wants the big $$$ now rather then winning.
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    I like to think that many people dont just follow the $. For me, remaining in MA is highly important, and I have turned down "better" opportunities in other regions of the country.

    This is why it offends me when players turn down reasonable, well paying contracts and go to the highest bidder for a few million more. Its one thing if they aren't going to get paid here or would rather play somewhere else. But simply chasing the biggest payday demonstrates a real lack of character, and shows where your priorities lie.

    Also, unlike regular Joes, for a lot of these guys, their families would be well taken care of no matter where they play. Therefore, you would hope that considerations other than $ would impact their decisions more than the average person.
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    Absolutely, positively nothing at all.

    Many posters believe that players should play for the patriots at a discount from market because the patriots are such a great organization. We do not know the situation. We may know when Moss signs, or not. However, there have been many players who the patriots wouldn't have signed even at a 10% discount.

    The fact is that sometimes (often?) the patriots idea of value is way, way below market. And that's fine. We succeed with this strategy (as do the colts, the steelers and the chargers). But we still get pi$$$ed when players decide that they will take the money from other teams. This overpricing (sometimes called the market) occurs most obviously in the first couple of weeks of free agency.

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    Money isn't everything, and while financial security can be a very nice luxury to obtain, it doesn't at all secure a happy life. Trust me, I know plenty of other people with money who lead not so fantastic lives.

    We also need to realize that we're talking about contracts that in some cases are guaranteeing $10M, $15M, $20M, and $25M plus. Then realize that if anyone ever has the pleasure of pocketing $10M they should be set for life, if they play their cards right. That's why it is a joke for an athlete to say something like "I need to put food on the table", when turning down a $7M per year contract, for an $8M per contract. Also, an elite professional athlete can earn Millions of dollars in endorsement deals, especially if he stays in the same area for a long period of time (builds a substantial local fan base). So, there are ways to offset a slight difference in salary totals.


    Getting past that, it does make perfect sense to turn down a deal that wouldn't fairly compensate you. And, it doesn't make the players any different than most of the owners and some coaches. It is a business, and most people are looking to maximize their profits.


    When it comes to Randy Moss, he has already claimed to be financially set, and that he's not in it for the money at this point in his life/career. We'll see what happens, but I still believe he's going to resign with the Patriots.
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