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  1. fnordcircle

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    I'm reading so many stupid posts on other sites about how the Patriots will be lucky to win 10 games, that their offense will be terrible, that we're going to have to rely on the run, etc, etc.

    I don't get it.

    An offense is more than the Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, Lloyd and Woodhead and Gronk will be back at some point.

    I love Woodhead but I think our offense, as whole, will benefit from Leon Washington moreso when you factor in the anticipated impact on offensive starting position due to Leon's superior KR abilities. There's really no overstating how important I believe those extra yards on kick returns will be.

    Welker for Amendola is probably a downgrade - but I don't think it will be a major one.

    Lloyd was a decent possession receiver and I think between Jones, Dobson and Jenkins one of those players will be able to replace his production.

    So the biggest loss is Aaron Hernandez. Nothing can be said or done about that except moving on. The team has played plenty of games without him the past few seasons so it is what it is.

    Will we have a #1 passing offense? I dunno, it's hard to make a case that we will. But we still have Brady. We still have a great OL and we still have a damn fine stable of running backs. And we have some interesting prospects in Jones, Boyce, Dobson and some of the PS guys.

    The point is - the doom and gloom about the #1 offense becoming awful is extremely premature.
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    Total up all receptions last year in the NFL by all of the receivers and healthy tight ends now on the New England roster.

    Then I think you will have your answer.

    I trust BB and TB, but this is asking a lot.
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    If we need a #1 offense to make the playoffs again, that means we still have a bad defense.

    I'm hoping this is the year our mostly-returning defense turns the corner and bails out the offense (with more than just turnovers that stop coming when we absolutely need them).

    On the other hand, it's not really a stretch to think that the offense is going to have some trouble considering that nearly every single pass-catcher from last year is either gone or injured.
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    The receiving corps just became extremely young. Could backfire, could work out. It's not even TC yet, though. They'll have plenty of opportunity to bring in veterans if the young guys aren't cutting it. They could go re-sign Lloyd yesterday if they wanted to.
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    When did you start chugging the Koolaid?
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    2 Rbs capable of 1000+ yards
    Slot receiver who's capable of 1000+ yards
    The GOAT at QB
    One of the best offensive lines in the game
    The best TE in the game

    Sure there's inexperienced WRs but everyone starts somewhere don't they? Until we actually see what they're like in an actual game then there's no reason to panic about something we don't know about yet, it isn't even TC yet!

    Don't sleep on special teams either - Edelman is the best punt returner in franchise history and Leon Washington is one of the best kick returners in league history, giving Brady shorter fields to work with will go a long way to helping the offense out if they are struggling.
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    Gronk could miss games during rehab and will likely not be in game shape or back to the "old Gronk" for a few games after that.

    Amendola is a great player but given the injury history and unknown chemistry with Brady you cannot automatically assume he will seamlessly replace Welker.

    I still say the two WRs (F/As signed from Buff and Pitt) are this year's version of Gabriel and Caldwell or Joey Galloway of recent times until proven otherwise.

    Hernandez was a great and effective TE before he allegedly decided to kill people. In any event there is another missing piece.

    Having noted all that, I do think the Brady lead offense will be very good as always but the 'old' good offense hasn't won many playoff games lately and I don't see this years version being any better. I don't think that's panic...just a logical observation.
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    I expect Shane Vereen to have a huge year. 600-700 yards rushing, another 400-800 receiving.
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    Yes--then compare side by side with the production of those who will not be suiting up. Biggest coaching challeege for BB in quite some time here.
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    Huge downgrades at WR/TE
    Downgrade at RB

    But we'll read all about Brady declining if the offense suffers.
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    I'd love to see us start to feature him as a receiver out of the backfield on a regular basis.
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    LOL........... I can already see the headlines, A Hern made Brady great... blah blah blah
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    I disagree with that tremendously. Woodhead leaving opens more of a spot for Vereen who with the ball in his hands can bring more than Woodhead.

    Not to mention the addition of Leon Washington

    And Blount, Bolden and Winn battling it out for the 4th and now with the Hernandez release possibly 5th spot.

    The RB position has been upgraded.
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    Ballard and sudfeld two large tes who can catch.

    Dobson and Boyce add a deep threat and great hands. Just have to learn the playbook.

    Jenkins smart enough to learn the play book and large enough for mismatches.

    Plenty of time for new guys to get experience while gronkowski is out for a spell.

    Amendola will be more versatile than welker was. Offense won't be a welker first offense. More unpredictable.

    Don't see how they're not better.
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    Woodhead > Blount and Washington

    It's a downgrade. The hope is that Vereen improves enough to offset that downgrade.
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    That's laughable
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    This is thread, for the most part, is the definition of unabashed fanboyism....banking on leon washington being a big part of the offense? calling the pats offensive line "one of the best in the league?" - they were good because brady throws short passes and they don't have to protect long, and now his three main targets inside 15 yards are gone. the running game will be the focal part of the offense! this is a PASSING league people!!!!! UNLESS the defense suddenly becomes one of the shutdown variety and allows 14-17 points a game, the Pats are going to struggle and all those rosy 12-14 win predictions are going down the schitter.....this offense has way too many holes to be counted on right now.
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    Looking at what Welker signed for makes me feel that the Patriots are comfortable in their belief that they will obtain comparable production from Amendola.

    Looking at what Woodhead signed for makes me feel that the Patriots are comfortable in their belief that they will obtain comparable (if not better) production from Vereen.

    With an additional year's worth of experience Ridley should be just as good, if not better.

    Gronk is a big question mark, but let's not forget that he missed part or all of eight games last year; is it really a stretch to believe he will be available for at least the same amount of time in 2013?

    Lloyd was universally detested when he was on the team last year; yet now that he is gone we are supposed to believe he cannot possibly be replaced? While he did indeed have 911 yards and a couple of statistically big games, he only had two other games with at least 70 yards receiving. Nearly a third of his production came in those two games - and for what it is worth the Pats lost both of those games.

    While there is no shiny bright new toy at either WR, I think there are enough options to be cautiously optimistic that at least one or more of Jenkins, Jones, Dobson, Boyce and the rest will step up and fill in adequately. Same goes for the TE position between Ballard, Fells, Hoomanawanui, Sudfeld, Ford, and a likely soon to be signed veteran free agent.

    Is it unreasonable to believe that whatever steps backward the offense takes in 2013, that will be offset by an improved defense?



    Is there a reason to be concerned about the offense?

    Yes, of course there is.



    Is the sky falling and the Pats season doomed?

    No, absolutely not.
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    Keep telling yourself that.
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    I am excited as hell to see Brady forced to not focus on Gronk/Welker, losing Hernandez talent sucks but we might get some emerging WRs by spreading the ball more.
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    Vereen > Woodhead

    otherwise, the pats would have tried to hold onto woodhead
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    I'm not panicked, but if they make it through the first six games of the season without a losing a game due to the offense being seemingly out of sync, I'll be very surprised (and extremely impressed). The talent is there to be a top offense, but given the number of new faces (or old faces expected to take on bigger roles), there's going to be some stumbles early. The hope is that by mid-season, the roles have been defined, they're relatively healthy, and the offense is in stride for the stretch.
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    Time to at least sign another veteran tight end namely Dwight
    Clark or David Thomas.
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    Edelman is three decent (i.e., 5-6 yards or more) returns away from holding the NFL record for career punt return average (it requires 75 returns, he has 72).
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    massive opportunity for UDFA Mark Harrison.....the offense needs Rutgers players, too
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    Yes the offense has downgraded. But it's always been our defense that needs to take that step into a top 10 caliber, playmaking unit more than we need to maintain the offensive weapons. We've had some of the greatest all time offenses the last 6 or 7 years, and regardless of how bad our offense might be this year they can't possibly perform worse than those did in the biggest games each year. There's reason to be worried but for that reason I'm not as concerned anymore. We're making the playoffs barring an injury to Brady, so the team needs to be built for January. We made big strides towards that down the stretch last year after the Talib trade and emergence of Dennard. And this offseason while there is plenty panic over the changes offensively, the defense has been improved or at least potentially improved, and they've been in areas that were lacking the most - interior pass rush, secondary.
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    I think the offense has the bodies to be at the same point by the end of the year........don't have a choice but to give lots of reps to Dobson and/or Boyce

    they will likely frustrate at time, but I think they also give the offense something it has not had for awhile.....the ability to spread the field more helps every other aspect
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    They are going to have their struggles especially in the 1st half of the season. If the new guys signed can improve later in the season it can get better. They usually do every year. so that is something to hold your hat on.
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    Aye. Gerard Warren > Richard Seymour.

    Otherwise, the Pats would have tried to hold onto Seymour.
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    a really bad comparison

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