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  1. midwestpatsfan

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    I have been through all the profiles and looked at more mocks than I care to admit too and have been on this board finding valuable info more than I have been working and thought it was time for everyone to show who their favorites are and show their ideal draft. I will start:
    TRADES:
    #24-trade down with TB and aquire picks #35 and #64
    #180 and #202-trade up to pick #153

    IDEAL DRAFT FOR ME:
    #28-Brandon Merriweather-my #2 safety overall and think he has the potential to be an Ed Reed type.

    #35-Lamaar Woodley-Honestly think he is the best player from the Wolverines team, a football player, to me he could be the next Adalius Thomas because I think he is versatile enough to do a lot of different things.

    #64-David Harris- Smart, great tackler and has good speed, 2nd best ILB in this draft and would be a nice addition to the D

    #91-Stewart Bradley- I know I have gone heavy at LB but we need youth and versatily.

    #127-Michael Coe-bigger corner than has a lot of potential

    #153-Dwayne Wright-kinda a poor mans Leonard Russell. Not superfast, but could be a nice compliment to Maroney. Catches the ball well and is a decent blocker in the pass game.Versatility is his biggest asset.

    #171-Courtney Taylor-Taller wide reciever that runs great routes and has great hands. Not the fastest guy, but a lot of interviews with the corners coming out this year said he was the toughest guy they have ever faced.

    #208-Mike Otto-Otto played LT but would probably be more of a guard or RT in the NFL, good size and footwork, durable, smart, 4 year starter from a system than does zone blocking

    #209-Jeff Rowe-developmental QB that is smart. Good leadership skills and is an accurate passer. Not the strongest arm, but that can be developed.

    #247-Keith Jackson-Big DT that would be a nice future backup to Wilfork. Not real tall, but is stout and good against the run, has the body to be a 3-4 NT.

    so there you have it, no real huge reaches I don't think. I would love any comments on mine or to see what other people are thinking would make them a happy camper on draft weekend.
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    I'm confused MWP, are we talking ideal as in dream draft, or some attempt at reality? If the latter the games Nut and Mav started offered folks a format to show whom they liked while making some allowance for draft ranking. If your talking dreamland I can put together a doozy to upset the faithful! :D

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    #95 Jersey

    honestly,
    I was hoping for a little bit of both. I love the "draft game" but I didn't want to confine people to some websites rankings of players. With that said, I don't think it would be benificial to have the patriots drafting Calvin Johnson at 24 and Laron Landry at 28 because that really is a fantasy that is impossible.

    I don't mind stretching some guys so they fall to you, just don't want to see really crazy things.

    So you go ahead and have Carriker make it to you at 24, I know you love him.:)
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    OH JOY! OH JOY! Actually my wetdream draft would require a fair bit of stretching. :( I'll see what I can get done for you.
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    #24 Jersey

    :eek: :eek: :confused:
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    Oooo! You're so naughty!
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    Here's one.

    1a. Anthony spencer OLB
    1b. trade down into 2nd round, pick up 4th round or so
    2a. From samuel trade - Meriweather S/CB
    2b. Posluzny - ILB or Harris ILB
    3. Josh Wilson CB
    4. Quincy Black S/LB New Mexico
    5. AJ Davis CB NC State
    6a. Danny Ware RB Georgia
    6b. Will Herring Safety/LB
    6c. Walter Thomas NW Missouri State DT
    random QB
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    1. Patriots trade pick 24 for Rocky mchintosh, Carlos Rogers and the 6th overall, As the falcons cry the patriots pick up Laron Landry who will be a complete stud for the pats for years and Rodney Harrisons new best friend.
    2. After the Patriots Trade the rights to Marquise Hill the 28th pick and the Second round pick we got for Randall gay and take a additional 4th round pick the patriots select Patrick Willis. Everyone on Espn goes crazy and the Bills literally rip down their draft board.
    3. The Patriots select Josh wilson who will be our nickelback for years to come.

    4.Alot of people have this kid drafted alot of different spots but the Patriots take no chance at their highmotor highly coachable new special team demon.
    Zak Deossie.

    4.Patriots need to get at least one wide reciever and here he is day hello to Johnny Lee Higgins and the patriots can't beleive he fell this far. Pioli and BB just lit up a victory cigar.

    5.best player on the board here and you know BB can't resist he finally pulls the trigger on his new toy Ben Patrick Tight end says the kid loves to block and led his team in receptions trust me BB will find room for him on the roster.

    Everything else who knows but if the draft fell this way The dynasty would remain for years and years to come.


    :D

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    semi-realistic, ideal draft for me (and only me!!)

    trade Asante to Saints for #27.
    trade 27 and 28 up to the top ten

    1a. Laron Landry, S
    1b. Darelle Revis, CB
    3. Brian Robison, LB
    4. Paul Soliai, NT

    (abbreviated version)
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    What gives you the idea that Woodley is versatile? The idea that, as a linebacker, he was pulled in obvious passing situations? I have a hard time seeing Woodley as an Adalius Thomas.

    I have a hard time believing that the Pats would draft 2 players from the same team, let alone 3 LBs in a row. Harris is intriguing, but a steal at 64.

    The only pick I truly like so far.

    Ok.

    This seems to be very early for Wright. He's a projected 6th rounder.

    Could you provide a link to those interviews?

    Also, for a WR, I prefer Chris Davis because of his returing ability.

    OK. I could see this.



    Ok.

    When you say "had the body to be a 3-4NT," usually that means built like Wilfork or Washinton. At 6'-305 he reminds me, somewhat, of Dan Klecko.

    I think that the Pats would focus on safety or CB more than just the 2 measly picks you have them taking. I don't think those picks are enough, honestly.
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    ** NE trades Asante Samuel to the Titans for 19th overall **
    ** NE trades 24th overall to Tampa Bay for 35th and 64th overall **

    1.19: CB Darrelle Revis
    1.28: S Brandon Meriweather
    2.3: ILB David Harris
    2.32: OLB/ILB Stewart Bradley
    3.28: RB Lorenzo "L-Boogie" Booker or B-Jax
    4.28: S Wendling or S Piscitelli
    5(comp): DeAndre Jackson or Usama Young (climbing)
    6.6: OT Mike Otto
    6.28: WR Chris Davis
    6(comp): NT Walter Thomas
    6(comp): QB Jared Zabransky
    7(comp): BPA

    UDFA: OLB/ILB Madison Miller

    OR

    ** NE trades Asante Samuel to the Titans for 19th overall **
    ** NE trades 24th overall to Tampa Bay for 35th and 64th overall **

    1.19: CB Darrelle Revis
    1.28: S Michael Griffin
    2.3: ILB David Harris
    2.32: Josh "The Truth" Wilson
    3.28: RB Lorenzo "L-Boogie" Booker or B-Jax
    4.28: S Wendling or S Piscitelli
    5(comp): Anthony Waters
    6.6: OT Mike Otto
    6.28: WR Chris Davis
    6(comp): NT Walter Thomas
    6(comp): QB Jared Zabransky
    7(comp): BPA

    UDFA: OLB/ILB Madison Miller
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    Despite early byplay, I decided to approach this seriously (though without trying to use my crazed round one theory since it was whom I wanted), trying to get the players I thought would go the furthest to help the team. Part of that is looking at the learning curve for WR and LB looking ahead to 2008.

    The issues I want to address in the draft are:
    1. LB depth
    2. Nickelback
    3. RB depth
    4. S depth
    5. WR for 2008
    6. Competition at OT and TE
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    Realistically, my two first round grade choices Carriker and Revis are unlikely to fall to 24. If they both fell I'd take Carriker first. I'd love a trade, and I think one will occur, but I'm not going to try and predict one here.

    24: LB Stewart Bradley 6'3 1/2" 255 (Nebraska) - this kid is being looked at by at least five other teams and may not be there in round three. My #1 ILB, he can also play OLB.
    28: CB Josh Wilson 5'9" 189 4.4/40 (Maryland) - If Revis falls to 24 (and Carriker doesn't fall) then Bradley gets taken here. Wilson is the next best Pro-ready CB. With Asante and Gay both looking for bigger paydays having a player closer to playing ahead of Scott is a plus.
    91: WR Mike Walker 6'1 1/2" 209 4.35/40 (Central Florida) - averaged over 7 receptions and almost 100 yds/gm coming off a knee injury. Also plays FS.
    127: S John Wendling 6'1" 222 (Wyoming) - I'd rather Piscatelli, but he is moving up, Wendling is the next best prospect to play both S positions.
    171: LB Brian Robison 6'3" 256 (Texas) - ILB in high school and his freshman year, then moved to DE, punt blocker on Special Teams, very smooth in LB drills at Combine. Another ILB/OLB candidate like Bradley so the Pats have a pair to work with.
    180: RB/S/P/KR Kevin Payne 6' 220 4.53/40 (Louisiana-Monroe) - finding a RB this late doesn't look good, time to re-sign Patrick Pass, but this kid may shift back to offense and help out, he'll be a good addition either way.
    202: WR David Ball 6'1" 196 4.7/40 (New Hampshire) - his hands are outstanding, his change of direction at his Pro-day, 3.97 short shuttle and a 6.59 three-cone drill, are also outstanding. Slower then you'd like, but after seeing some of his catches in the Shrine Game I think worth trying out.
    208: Dante Rosario 6'3" 244 4.78/40 (Oregon) - natural hands catcher who was reported to show impressive improvement in blocking at the point of attack. He's 1/8" taller then Grahambo and has a 3-cone under 7 sec if only a pedestrian 40.
    209: OT Gabe Hall 6'4" 313 (Texas Tech) - 2 year starter at RT, converted TE, very athletic (4.9/40) which may allow him to be a swing tackle.
    247: QB Jeff Rowe 6'5" 226 (Nevada) - As good a prospect to study behind Tommy and Matt as any.
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    Wait..the Patriots are going to trade the #24 pick for the #6 pick, and the Redskins are throwing in two players as well? Would that be the most lopsided trade in the history of professional sports?

    Why would the Redskins trade #24 for #6 straight up?
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    I think he forgot to include Samuel to Washington.
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    So the Redskins are going to give up on, and eat the entire signing boni of, their last two first round picks AND take on a monster contract? Unlikely. In fact, I doubt they had the cap space if they wanted to.

    I'd rather trade Samuel and the #24 to the Colts for Bob Sanders, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, and the #31. Oh, and I'd like a pony, with a hot chick to ride it like the Broncos do. And cheerleader Holly, who'd instantly upgrade our unit.

    The we'll use #28 to draft Revis, #91 for DeOssie, take some backups/ST aces with the Comp Picks, and trade the rest to Jacksonville for Maurice Jones-Drew, Matt Jones, Marcus Stroud, Rashean Mathis, and their first and second rounders next year. We might have to throw in Marquise Hill to sweeten the deal.
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    I want Willis and a good CB/SS in the first and would be happy.
    They are both positions of need that most agree on
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    trade Asante and K. Faulk to the Packersfor their first and second picks
    let Gay go to the Jets

    GB's first, Marshawn Lynch, would take over as third down back, and would form a formidable 1-2 punch with Maroney

    24. Chris Houston, the best thing since sliced bread

    28. Joe Staley, will be an awesome fit in the zone scheme

    GB's second, Brandon Meriweather, IMO would've top ten if not for this past season

    Miami's second, David Harris, classic thumper in the middle

    91. Josh Wilson, undersized but a fighter...Ellis Hobbs clone

    our fourth, Quincy Black, pure cover LB, will help a lot on passing downs

    our fifth comp, Antwan Barnes, very underrated, has production and measureables

    6a. Daniel Sep..., great punter, will make the other 15 punters expendable

    6b. Ryan Something, wr from Miami, I forgot his name

    6c. Tyler Palko, QB, Pittsburgh, reminds me of Big Ben, tough and has an arm, then again he's 45 punds lighter

    7. does it even matter?


    :) now thats a haul
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    No, it's crazy.
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    Just to add something to this...

    From the Boston Herald:

    "The Patriots like drafting at the bottom of the first round.

    If there’s one quick way to hamstring a franchises’s finances, it’s by paying a top-10 pick like an established veteran superstar, and then watching him underperform.

    The Pats have drafted quite well in the 20s and below without having to deal with the headache of huge contracts. Take last year’s draft. No. 10 pick Matt Leinart signed a six-year, $51 million deal with $14 million guaranteed from Arizona.

    Compare that to Maroney, selected just 11 spots later, who landed a five-year, $8.735 million deal with a little over $6 million guaranteed. In the salary cap era, that’s a huge difference financially for two players who aren’t nearly that far apart in terms of ability.

    The Patriots have not traded into the top 10 since Belichick arrived."

    This is my reason for just wanting to get a mid/late rounder for Asante straight up. What did you think of the two mocks I posted?
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    I thougth your drafts were good. 2 quality players at LB and CB/S each. That's a good draft right there.

    Someone else (Box) had Bradley and Wilson in the 1st. don't know why it would be necessary to reach like that...especially as this is a "dream" draft.
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    Although I don't agree with them all. I would take this draft. Good Job Cousin.
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    I agree with you on Revis Cousin, but doubt he's there.
    Here is one that I am sure we can poke holes in but these are all just for fun.

    We swap our #24 to the Falcons for the #39 and #44 in round two. The draft value says #24 is worth 800 and #39 and #44 is 970. I say baloney.

    #28 Michael Griffen S-Texas, Special Teams talent as well and a decent sized safety with speed. Might not be there at #28.

    #39 Marcus McCauley CB -Fresno St. Most pure talent of any CB in the draft but had a bad senior year as did Eugene Wilson and the Pats still went with him. Big and fast and loves to hit. Lets hope we get the 05 version.

    #44 Lamarr Woodley DE/LB-Michigan.Stud. Versatility that BB/SP crave. Willie M #2 ?

    #91 Sabby Piscatelli SS-Oregon St. A lot of thread stars hate this guy. Please just look at his tapes. He's actually very good and big and fast. Sorry guys, he didn't go to the Florida schools like the "U" or Gatorville, but he is actually from Florida. Does that count?

    #127 Chris Henry RB- Might not last but a valiant attempt in round 4 (Booker as the back up choice?)

    #171 Courtney Taylor WR-Auburn. Insurance for 2008 with size

    #180- Chris Denman OT-Fresno St. Stated to be the most underrated OT in the draft. Can play left or right OT.

    #202-Joe Newton TE -Oregon St. -The annual Pats TE pick up. Very productive can catch and block. We have some now that do either. He might be the most complete TE on the roster if we draft him.

    #208-Desmond Bishop MLB. His hobbies are pitching guards to one side or the other. Really! I Love it! A true Ted Johnson replacement with attitude. 6' 2" and 243.

    #209-Yusama Young-CB for Kent State. Very fast and Very productive. Good size. Has been interviewed by our boys. Good small school pic.

    #247-Walter Thomas-NT Central Miss.CC. Anybody 6'4" and 365 that can run a 4.9 in the 40 works for me! (Jared Z. QB-Boise St. How tough is this kid and fast and smart. He would be my alternate choice).

    O.K. Torch me for this.

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    Not bad, not bad at all. Of course, here's the real question: who would you dump to make room for all those players? :)
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    Cousin,
    I have thought about this. I agree, but then again what did the Cowboys or Dolphins or Steelers do in their heyday. I guess you have a couple of directions. Move up a high as you can with your non-comp pics?
    I personally think I would trade some choices to pick up Briggs who by the way, can play ILB AND who would gladly join the Pats to start at ILB. Just dream of that rotation! CB we don't need no stinkin CB's with those dudes rushing the QB!
    My other Cousins on their thread here say....blaspheme! They really hurt your feelings sometime and they always seem to know more than you do....or is it just me. I wish I had their knowledge. If they knew where I lived they would egg my house.
    Or I guess you could package up some pics for 2008. But I think these picks supplant the roster.See below.

    O.K. let's begin:

    #28 Michael Griffen S-Texas. Starts with Rodney day one. Artrell or Andrews would be out. Trade Wilson is an option although he might be a CB in 07.

    #39 Marcus McCauley CB -Fresno St. Starts as #2 CB with Hobbs as nickel. Or if Assante Goes he's number 2 after Hobbs and Wilson or Young play nickel. Jacksons not ready (PUP?), Scot is replaceable and who knows on Assante.

    #44 Lamarr Woodley DE/LB-Michigan. In the OLB rotation taking the place of Mays or more than likely Woods, his Michigan teamate on the roster.

    #91 Sabby Piscatelli SS-Oregon St. See the Griffen explanation. He would move up in front of Sanders and be back up to Harrison in my book but some Thread experts will tell you.....Oh No! Sanders must have dirty pictures on those guys. He is third string material. Dexter Reid quality type dude.

    #127 Chris Henry RB- We dropped Patrick Pass and picked up Morris. We dropped Dillion and pick up....Henry?

    #171 Courtney Taylor WR-Auburn. Insurance for 2008 with size. If Brown retires and Jackson goes pup, and if he plays better in camp than Kelvin or Bam he is the sixth WR.

    #180- Chris Denman OT-Fresno St. We should think about trading O'Callahan or Kaczur and he would be an upgrade I believe, thats if you consider a trade coming back through. He's probably not better or worse than them, but we can get something for one of the others..

    #202-Joe Newton TE -Oregon St. -Perhaps Mills. Perhaps he can beat out K. Brady? Then again, Watson usually misses some games.

    #208-Desmond Bishop MLB. See Woodley, then include Aleaxander as a possible drop.

    #209-Yusama Young-CB. If Gay and Assante go, this kid could be in the rotation. Better option than Scott and Jackson if he's PUP.

    #247-Walter Thomas-NT Takes Marquis Hills place or Santonio Thomas or Smith could be a gonners. Places behind Vince at NT for a few series per game. Could be the next Pat Thomas, (or Smith type)

    Alternate #7 OR FA-Jared Z. QB-Boise St.Camp arm and takes Vinnies place if he shows anything.

    DW Toys
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    OK, how about this one:

    #24 TRADE to Arizona for #38, #105 and a 2008 #2 (Arizona takes OT Joe Staley)

    #28 David Harris, LB, Michigan

    #38 Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland

    #83 via TRADE from Carolina (which has a ton of holes) for #91 and #127, Josh Gattis, S, Wake Forest

    #105 Paul Soliai, DT, Utah

    #171 Anthony Waters, LB, Clemson

    #180 Laurent Robinson, WR, Illinois State

    #202 Jeff Rowe, QB, Nevada

    #208 Scott Stephenson, C, Iowa State

    #209 Will Herring, S/OLB, Auburn

    #247 Matt Gutierrez, QB, Idaho State


    To me, that does for the defense exactly what the 2006 draft was designed to do for the offense. (And no, the two QBs aren't a misktake. 10 rookies aren't going to make this team, so I'm happy to let two intriguing longshots duke it out for the #3 QB slot.)
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    New Version, same trades. (I still like the other two versions, as well)

    ** NE trades Asante Samuel to the Titans for 19th overall **
    ** NE trades 24th overall to Tampa Bay for 35th and 64th overall **

    1.19: Darrelle Revis
    1.28: David Harris
    2.3: LaMarr Woodley
    2.32: Eric Weddle
    3.28: Lorenzo Booker or Brandon Jackson
    4.28: Piscitelli or Wendling
    5(comp): DeAndre Jackson or Usama Young (climbing)
    6.6: Chris Davis
    6.28: Mike Otto
    6(comp): Walter Thomas
    6(comp): Jared Zabransky
    7(comp): BPA

    UDFA: Madison Miller

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Question, any of you been looking at Brandon Harrison SS Stanford?

    I'm trying to figure out if he could fit NE's defense. It seems he could be a middle day 2 guy. (6'1.7" 227lbs, 40 time: 4.56-4.60, 23 reps at 225, )

    Scouting:
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflcombineprofile.php?pyid=15483
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=10758&draftyear=2007
    http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/brandonharrison.html

    Highlight Video
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    Love the talent you assembled, but personally I can't think of any draft that includes trading away our #1 CB as "ideal"!
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    #75 Jersey

    Oh, what the heck:

    #24 Darrelle Revis CB

    #28 Trade to Tampa for #64 and 2nd and fourth rounders in 2008

    #64 David Harris ILB

    #91 Antonio Johnson DE/DT

    #105 Sabby Piscatelli SS

    #171 Anthony Waters ILB

    #180 Jeff Rowe QB

    #202 CJ Wilson FS

    #208 Quentin Echols NT

    #209 Kyle Caldwell OLB

    #247 Reggie Merriweather RB


    Maybe something like that. Give players a chance to knock off the low guys on the totem pole that is the 53-man roster. Waters and Caldwell can be PUPed.
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    Are you pupping Caldwell for any specific injury or is this a booboo PUP while he learns terminology and practices coverage drills?
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