Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by questionman, Oct 15, 2007.
What will the going rate be for Moss?
Whatever he and the Pats agree on. He won't go to the open market.
No way to know, it depends on him. The "going rate" is he wants to maximize his money will be out of our price range; what he'll take to stay with Brady, Belichick and the Patriots is another question and can't be answered at this time.
Moss will be reasonable/wont care. he said money is 0 issue for him now a days but Patriots will be fair and give him at least 3/4 mill
Do you think he will want a wheelbarrow full of money or more of a homer deal? I think a lot of teams will throw a lot of $$ at him and his agent will listen.
it doesn't matter as long as it's straight cash homey.
Doesn't matter if his agent gets offers. Randy wants "Tommy" throwing him balls.
Whatever it is it'll be a bargain.
The Pats FO has been very kind to players that we liked to keep in the past. Much more than we get credit for. People like Dillon and even Antwain Smith got sweet deals. Ty Law, Branch, Givens, you name it, we were willing to pay these players good money. The bottom line is that the players usually rule themselves out of the picture by getting greedy and going elsewhere for marginally more money. Not saying we gave every last player the best deal, but the majority got a good enough deal to stay if they wanted to. And the players that stuck around sort of understood what this team is really about: winning.
IMO, no chance in hell Moss walks away from this team. I think Moss really gets it, maybe for the first time in his life. He has a home with this team and this QB and this coach.
And I don't think the pats will let him walk either. They have never hesitated to give good players guarenteed contracts and/or good money to stick around. It just happens that the grass appears greener for many players for some reason.
We can not pick up option on K.Washington and save 5m. I hope he doesn't want more than 7-8m per year. We can handle that. But, I don't know about 10m+. I would also keep D.Stallworth. He's due for a nice raise. But, I think he's going to have a great 2nd half. TB might have some unkind words for front office if we don't keep Moss.
Good question.Since he has cleaned up his act and is associated with the Pats,Brady,etc,(and if they should have continued success )he might be able to command some serious endorsement money,something to consider ,such as playing for less than he could get elsewhere,but getting millions in ad money.
Go to the 2:38 mark and find out if Moss feels he needs $$. "What's 10 grand....to me" = classic.
wow already.......so much can change between now and then but here goes.
Brady and Moss are the same age, we lock him up for 3 years guarantee w/a 4th years option, front loaded to take advantage of the recent wiggle room from thecap increase.
unfortunately the money isn't available to do the same for stallworth. We say enjoy your ring, thank you and bye bye. we take a deep breath and hope that chad jackson guy we been sitting on for two years will be an able replacement as the 2.
Moss and Stallworth are an ace and a king of the same suit ... showing.
Jackson is a come card.
He won't be much of a factor in the decision.
This really requires more than snap shots from the hip.
I venture to hope that they are both do-able ...
given a willingness to make a lot of money, yet still short of ALL the money.
Tommy Terrif himself might consider giving up something
(not just rolling it forward; actually taking less)
to cement his own football immortality.
lol, i dont know...
however, i do know we cant and wont keep both moss and stallworth...its clearly impossible, and i think moss will cost us less then stallworth...
as much as i hate to say it, especially after seeeing how stallworth plays for us...i think were gonna let him go thsi offseason, and instead let chad jackson take his spot...
even though stallworth and jackson are better compliments, we just cant let moss get away...
That's fair? We offered Givens more than that.
And Givens said, "Thanks but no thanks."
Not less than $8 mil to keep him here.
why is that? it isn't clear to me.
you can keep 2 not all 3 barring a miracle
I bet Moss would sign a 3 year/$25 million deal with $16 million guaranteed. He would make a ton of money in endorsements with a cleaned up image which the Pats can provide. He would be a walking goldmine for advertisers, and guarantee himself entry to the HOF.
Really, there is or will be more than enough money to go around to retain both Stallworth and Moss if they are reasonable. Donte may have to rework his deal a little, Moss can have at least Washington's $5.7M and they can squeeze out a few million more by doing a simple restructure (no givebacks) on Tommy's deal (which could also be ripe for a 4 year extension that takes him through retirement and would exponentially lower his 2008 cap) and by extending Colvin who has a high cap # and is a UFA in 2009. There are also several other players whose deals lend themselves to restructure if they need to free up some 2008 cap. They are also rolling forward a nice chunk of cap unless they use it on extensions this year.
moss and stallworth have been around...they know the good and bad. so far they are really enjoying the good of being with the pats. if they get a reasonable offer they will stay. maybe if donte is offerd like like 3-5 more per year and long contract to be no. 1 at other team he might go.
esp if we win SB they will stay more likely.
seems hard to sign samuel also....but maybe there wont be such a big offfer for him like before from other teams.
Ofcourse we'd love to see Moss, Stallworth and Samuels get new contracts , but I think there is a lot of wishfull thinking in this thread. If anyone thinks Moss is going to take a discount to stay with the Pats, *especially* if we are lucky enough to see the Pats win the SB, I think they are sadly mistaken. Same goes for Stallworth and ofcourse we know where Samuel's priorities lie. I only see the value of these three players increasing substantially after this season.
Maybe Moss or Stallworth get the franchise tag next year. We can always hope, but I think thats the best we can expect.
I don't. I trully believe Moss wants to be here and will take a little discount to stay. I'm hopeful on Stallworth but pretty much know Samuel is gone next year.
Moss and Stallworth know what it is like to lose, know what it's like to be elsewhere. Samuel is from the newer generation that is a bit spoiled. He doesn't know what it's like to be on a real loser and doesn't know what it's like to be on a team that isn't run as well as the pats. He will shoot for the stars like others have done and sign with whoever offers the most money.
It depends, he might stick around if the Krafts agree to let him have a prime location at Patriots Place food court to open a new Inta Juice. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2499476
Life after football stuff gets to be important after you hit your 30s.
Stallworth is already signed long term. It's just a matter of whether we want to pay him $6M per going forward. If Moss left that would be a slam dunk. It was Deion's money. If Moss stays that deal could be tweeked to be more favorable in the short term. Washington is also signed long term with a $5.7M cap hit next season. Cut him (or drastically alter the terms of his deal) and you have 75% of Randy's 2008 money already accounted for in the budget.
We are currently $6M under the cap and that money will be available to roll forward onto the 2008 cap. We are currently under the 2008 cap by several million with 41 players signed (including Stallworth and Washington/most of Randy). Brady's deal can be simple restructured to add another $3M in cap space. Colvin will likely be extended lowering his cap by $3M or so. We should have at least $20M in cap space with which to maneuver a few million more for Randy and an average $6M per deal if Asante has come down off his pedestal.
4 yrs/36 million, $12 million dollar bonus.
That sounds realistic in my ears those numbers !
As long as PATS keep getting to Superbowls in the future, then he will be willing to stay for a looooong time.
But ofcourse he is the best buy in many years, so his payment will raise higher and higher.
Don't think for one second the Colts wouldn't make a push for Moss and at least raise the price because they have a ton of cap space, they have a QB that Moss could put up big numbers with, and they would love to either make the Pats worse by ripping Moss from them or make the Pats spend more than they want to. The Pats should try to get this deal done before the end of the season.
Gotta disagree. Samuel and Moss are completely opposite cases. Samuel was a day-2 draft pick who has been on terrific teams, owns a couple of rings, and now is looking for the big deal that will make him filthy rich.
Moss has already hit his jackpot -- his last contract with the Vikings included an $18 million signing bonus and rich salaries besides. Meanwhile he's never been to the Superbowl and has languished in misery on some lousy teams. He's happy and appreciated here, and he doesn't take that for granted.
And another difference -- the marketplace. Almost any team in the league would be willing to offer a reasonably rich deal to Samuel. But many teams won't want Moss, because they know that they can't offer anything like the situation that he's flourished in here.
So yes, I do think Moss will re-sign with the Patriots, for a substantial but not gargantuan sum.
While I agree with the suitors being less for Moss it only takes one team to come over the top with the right team situation and he's gone. Green Bay immediately comes to mind especially after whiffing on him this off season. Lets say the Packers loose in the NFC Championship game or SB. They could be very motivated to make one last push with Fave which would be the right team situation for Moss.
If GB is offering $5M more guaranteed and $2M more per season he's going to bail.
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