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  1. solman

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    Lets send it back to SF.

    SF gets the #2 overall pick in the draft

    We get Indy's pick (#29 overall) + Patrick Willis
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    SF needs more Patrick Willis, not less.

    They wouldn't trade Patrick Willis for the #2 straight up - he's cheaper and there's only an even chance that what they could get at #2 would be better than Willis.
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    Let's trade the #2 for Bruce Willis and a Baconator from Wendy's.

    Those are fantastic.


    6 strips of bacon.
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    Recent #2s:

    07 - Calvin Johnson
    06 - Reggie Bush
    05 - Ronnie Brown
    04 - Robert Gallery
    03 - Charles Rogers
    02 - Julius Peppers
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    00 - Lavar Arrington
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    Bottom line - no surprise, #2 produces both its share of beasts and its share of busts. But how can you not trust Pioli/BB to get it right? If a trade presents itself fine, but as I said in another thread, you won't find me complaining about the Pats getting the #2 pick in the draft!!

    You're talking about the chance to get a franchise player without paying the dues of sucking for an entire season. That's not something to take for granted.
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    Light a victory cigar with our 1st rounder imo.
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    That's about 50/50 bust to good player. And some of those good players were only good for a couple years. Kind of shocking.

    When Gallery came out, BB said in an interview that he was the best player. Of course he could have been messing with people, but I don't think he's infallible.

    #2 is a curse. Pray Dallas gives up it's 2 #1s for McFadden.
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    Trade it for 1st and 2nd rounders this year and 2nd and 3rd rounders next year.

    The Pats have proven they get better overall team value with later picks compared to the "stars" who come out in the first 10 picks of the draft. There was an article around the time of the 2005 draft outlining the draft positions, expected contracts, cap impact, and overall team value. The author made a rational argument that those picking from 15 and beyond received far better long-term value than those picking earlier. Picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds are gold in terms of long-term value.
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    I agree with your general premise, but trading the #2 overall for what you're suggesting doesn't net the Patriots NEARLY enough. It would need to be the 1st this year, 2nd this year and 1st next year. AT LEAST. Even that doesn't come close to "the chart," even considering that the chart needs to be re-evaluated.
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    BB had the chance to take Patrick Willis but passed on him. Why...I don't know and wish we had him.

    I want a Stud defensive player if he's there and can play next year or else trade down.
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    The teams picking in the first few spots are picking there for a reason: they suck balls. So to say something like "teams drafting in the bottom 15 end up having better teams" is a no brainer, they were already a lot better in the first place.

    On top of that, that player is likely coming into a crap organization on a crap team, not a very great environment to help him develop. Maybe Charles Rogers becomes a great wideout if the Pats got him and he's put with Brady, for instance. The said sucky team probably ended up in suckitude thanks to some crap drafting, again screwing whatever statistics you want to throw my way.

    Bottom line, a top 5 pick is not a bad thing if you're the Patriots. It's a great thing.
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    Does anybody honestly seeing the Patriots paying a rookie the type of contract he's been led to believe he's entitled to by his agent, even if he is a #2?

    I don't. They'll trade down and get great value with little down.
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    Who is going to trade with them? As others have said, they are pretty much "stuck" with this pick, a) it's a tough pick to get good value for and b) do you think anyone wants to trade w the Pats right now? Oh, the burden of getting the 2nd best player in the nation :D
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    a) A team that needs a particular player that another team who drafts in front of them "may" also need. For instance, Chicago needs a QB, so does Carolina. Assuming that Chicago drafts ahead of Carolina and the Panthers want the QB they assume the Bears are going to take, Carolina calls Pioli and offers their first round and a couple of later rounds for the #2. (And yes, I know what happens when we assume.)

    b) Of course nobody wants to trade with Patriots right now. But not every team thinks long term.

    Then again I could be wrong, I am after all just a Rookie!
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    dont sweat what those other people are saying about not being able to move that pick. probably the same people that thought it was nuts to bring in Moss, or that the team gave up too much for an unknown slot receiver. NE always has trade leverage when it comes to these situations. They can do whatever they feel is best. Believe me, theyll have atleast 2 or 3 teams lined up begging for that pick if they so choose. Pioli will do the right thing. Plenty of options.
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    Huh??? Where do people come up with these ideas? Hell yes some team that needs to make a "splash" will trade with the Pats if they can draft a QB or some other STUD and sell a boat load of season tickets, merchandise, and create a "buzz". Guys like Daniel Snyder from Washington would definitely trade up to get another STUD if it was a fair trade. What, you think teams trying to improve are going to turn down a fair trade just becuase big bad Billy Belichick put a spanking on their team? Please.
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    That's the important part, whether they keep the pick or not, they'll do it right. It seems like some people are thinking the pick has gotten too good - and that's just not possible, whether we keep the pick or trade it, this SF trade will have been an immense coup of a trade.
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    Both of my points were brought up originally by Reiss...so that's where I got "these ideas". Sorry, but I'm going to take his word over yours, especially since you've already proven yourself to be a complete douche in the Maroney threads.
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    What are you talking about?
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    Ya, ok buddy. Because I don't swing from Maroney's pair I am a "douche"? Yup, homerism at it's finest. :rolleyes: If Reiss thinks that, than he is wrong and is getting caught up in the moment. Everyone hates the Pats now because we're in the midst of the most dominant, ruthless campaign the NFL has ever seen. Guess what? When the season is over, teams will calm down, and realize that they need to improve THEIR teams and not worry about the Patriots. If anyone thinks ALL 31 other teams won't trade with the Pats, than you are naive. You think Mike Shanahan and Denver will turn down a fair deal because it's the Pats? You think Daniel Snyder will pass up a fair deal? You think Seattle and their owner's deep pockets would turn down a deal? Please.
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    Wasn't Willis picked around 10 by San Fran. How did BB have a chance to get him?

    Edit- just saw 2 posts ahead of me
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    Yes, but trades don't happen unless something is in it for both teams, so what team is going to be willing to make the Patriots that much better right now?

    The point being, teams are going to be reluctant to fork over fair value for that second pick knowing that the best team in the league is going to continue getting better by making that move. Do you really think a team is going to offer the Patriots as much as they would've offered the Niners?
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    Umm, if the Pats don't want to draft #2 and pay top dollar, than they can do what the Vikings did 2 years ago and not send up their pick in time. Then other teams can race up and draft players until the pats send in their card. They can then end up drafting like 8th or 9th and save money. So, therefore, it doesn't matter. However, if teams NEED a franchise QB and figure they can get one at #2, than why the hell wouldn't they trade up? Especially an NFC team. You are tremendously naive.
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    I didn't see it's not going to happen. I'm just saying it's another factor to consider, that the Patriots are viewed differently by their success, they aren't the average #2 draft pick team, and won't be as easy a trading partner with what is already considered a tough pick to trade. And who said the Pats wouldn't want to draft at #2? Just because other teams make bonehead moves there doesn't mean the Pats would.
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    49ers will not fall for this again...
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    It's only tough to trade if you want more than fair value for it. Lots of teams with the #2 pick don't trade out of that spot because they usually stink and need a BIG NAME player to sell to their fan base. It's hard for a team that stinks(like the Dolphins) to trade down to #15 from the #1 or #2 spot and be able to keep their fans happy. How do you think Pats fans would've reacted if they traded from #1 to #15 in 1993? The fan base would be up in arms. So, in short, no I don't think it will be hard trading out of the #2 spot. I doubt we will get anything more than a FAIR deal that works for both teams, but that's fine.
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