What this defense really needs

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  1. Get it shawtaay

    Get it shawtaay Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Hint: its not a total makeover.

    Look back at the '00-'01 offseason. The team as constructed then wasn't star studded, but Coach Belichick went out and got two missing ingredients, that helped the defense come into its own as a reliable and playmaking unit.

    1) He brought in a stabilizing core of depth players. Not superstars, but guys who make the right play more often and not and weren't in high demand. Roman Phifer, Mike Vrabel, Anthony Pleasant, Otis Smith (well he was the previous offseason), Larry Izzo, guys like that (you can include Cox and Buckley if you want).

    2) He got a "missing-piece" type player up front who could disrupt a play in a million ways in Richard Seymour.

    Suddenly, the defense was pretty good. They made a lot of timely plays, stiffened at the right times, allowed few points, and ultimately went on to frustrate Kurt Warner and the high-flying Rams offense. Not because they were uber-talented, but they had the right mix.

    Looking at this off-season, with the salary crunch that is about to go down, a lot of veteran defenders will be available. Some of them will get big contracts, but some will fly under the radar or wish to sign for a chance at a title. The Pats have much less cap space than they did in 2000, but also have a draw for free agents they did not have back then. If they can pull off a similar coup in free agent (acquire reliable veteran talent at a good value) and grab a penetrating presence in the draft, I will be very optimistic about the unit in 2013.

    Addendum: Here's a list of guys with big cap hits, who could conceivably become available. All it takes is one guy to leave some money on the table and sign here, and all are players who could potentially be of use IMO. Some pipe-dreaming, but why not.

    DT: Jonathan Babineaux, Kevin Williams, Domata Peko, Antonio Smith, Will Smith, Chris Canty, Tommy Kelly, Antonio Garay
    LB: Jonathan Vilma, James Harrison, Quincy Black
    LB/S hybrid role: Adrian Wilson, Roman Harper
    SS: Charles Woodson, Antoine Bethea
    CB/S "star": Antrel Rolle, Michael Huff
    CB: Champ Bailey, Nnamdi Asomugha, Dunta Robinson, Ike Taylor, Carlos Rogers, Josh Wilson, Jason Allen
  2. Off The Grid

    Off The Grid Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    It was clear from the day you arrived that this Forum would get a nice Boost. :cool:

    Outstanding Premise, Brother Shataway.


    Truly, we are very likely looking at 2001 Revisited. Few Owners ~ indeed: few Mammals ~ approach Expenses with any attempt at discipline. As a result, a vast swath of these Owners have got caught leaning off first. :eek:

    There could be some exquisite Salary Cap Carnage, in the the weeks and months ahead.



    I, for one, am casting covetous eyes in the general direction of SE Anquan Boldin...and especially towards the allegedly finished CB Nnamdi Asomugh.

    ...and that's but a start. :cool:
  3. thenepatsrule

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  4. tonyto3690

    tonyto3690 Banned

    So what you're saying is all we need to do is add and hit home runs on...

    -3 high end veteran role players
    -1 all pro OLB
    -1 HOF DT

    Yeah, sounds pretty simple. Not sure why Belichick hasn't figured that one out yet.
  5. Shockt327

    Shockt327 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Belichick had previous experience coaching so many of those players listed; that's why they fit in so well. How many FAs does BB have experience with this time?
  6. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    What this defense really needs are competent players who aren't afraid to have their authority challenged.
  7. Lamanai

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    Totally with you on this and meant to post it earlier today (busy, lazy). I will be curious as to which veterans will be cut from teams around the league. I wouldn't be disappointed to see Seymour/Canty, Asomugha/Bailey, and Huff added at reasonable $$$.

    As a byproduct, wouldn't letting Talib sign elsewhere and replacing him with a player cut recoup Talib's cost by virtue of a compensatory pick.
  8. Get it shawtaay

    Get it shawtaay Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Getting two good vets, two more decent ones, and drafting a stud is perfectly doable. Look how the Colts transformed their offense in a single offseason, get two steady vets below market value (Avery and Justice, who isn't very good but was by far their best offensive lineman) and drafting some good players (Luck, Hilton, Allen). Its not unusual for a well-executed offseason to transform a team.

    And sorry to burst your homer bubble but Seymour is not a HOFer.
  9. Get it shawtaay

    Get it shawtaay Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    What do you mean by this? Please elaborate.
  10. Deus Irae

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    I just naturally assumed he was referring to coachability......

  11. supafly

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    Unfortuately that doesn't look like much of a possibility.

    Boldin did 2 interviews today and claimed that "he'd never consider putting on another teams' jersey," and that he'd clearly retire if the Ravens didn't want him back.

    That said, he sounds like someone who's pretty sure that he'll make it work to stay another year or two in Baltimore, so I wouldn't be surprised at a pay cut agreement.
  12. supafly

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    I'm pretty sure that a comp pick is only awarded in cases where the team loses more significant free agents than it signs, so if you'd want any of these other players they'd cancel each other out.

    I don't think we'll be seeing any comp picks at all for the draft in April of this year either.
  13. Lamanai

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    Not certain, but I do not think Canty, Asomugha or Bailey would count against the compensatory formula since they are cuts as opposed to true Free Agents...(I think there is a distinction, but not surE - it may only be if you sign them after some date). Seymour's contract was voided, so that one is a bit murkier. How was Stallworth classified a few years ago when his was voided? Did he count?

    I'm counting on a mix of Arrington, Welker, Thomas, Vollmer and Woodhead leaving as significant UFA. We might be in the mix for 2014 comp picks....
  14. frankgutta15

    frankgutta15 Rookie

    i think we ned to draft matt elam if he's available no questions asked
  15. scout

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    Having Ty Law as a db made a huge difference in 2001. Did you see Champ Baily's last game? Unless he was injured, that should have been his last game.
  16. mgteich

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    If we lose Talib to free agency, we would likely sign at least one free agent corner, nullifying any comp pick consideration.

  17. cstjohn17

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    It is a nice dream, I will join in. Another player I would add to the Safety mix is LaRon Landry, they brought him last year but the Jets offered more and the Patriots were stuck with Gregory. He proved he is healthy but cost may be an issue. He plays the SS role which is sorely needed.

    Safeties - Landry, McCourty (could also play CB), Gregory, Wilson

    At CB, I liked what I saw from Talib and am more interested in his health than his 'perceived' attitude. Again money may be an issue.

    Also, I would double check that list, some of those players may be candidates for release but most are still under contract.
  18. Lamanai

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    Asomugha or Bailey, if cut, would not count towards compensatory formula. I see them as the natural replacements. Add a draft pick as well.

    Also, a guy like Antoine Cason would be a nice replacement for Arrington, if he goes elsewhere. That would be an offset.
  19. AndyJohnson

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    Landry is worse in coverage than any of the safeties we used last year
  20. Get it shawtaay

    Get it shawtaay Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Honestly, I think Cason vs. Arrington is a grass is greener thing. Cason might be better on the outside, but Arrington is better in the slot. And with Dennard/FA#1 (be that Talib or someone else)/Dowling, we're looking more to fill a slot role.
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