What the Patriots really need to draft is....

Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by midwestpatsfan, Jan 11, 2010.

  1. midwestpatsfan

    midwestpatsfan Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    A power runningback. This offense has to get back to a more balanced attack and to do that they need that guy who they can hand the ball off to 20-25 times a game and pound the ball consistantly.

    Maroney is not the answer-way to inconsistant and cannot be relyed on. Even in his best games, it still wasn't what this team needed and then he started to fumble every game.

    Morris and Taylor are over the hill guys who can be serviceable for a few carries once in awhile, but not an every game back anymore.

    Kevin Faulk is still Kevin Faulk and has a spot on this team

    BJGE- I think he to could be a guy to be the 2nd back in the 2 back system that is needed these days. 5 to 7 carries a game to give the main guy a breather. We need that Corey Dillon type back in here again, that is what brought championships here, not the passing attack this offense has fallen in love with.
  2. klinefan

    klinefan Banned

    1 power RB.
    2 OG who can actually block and have size, unlike the dimunitive Ohrenberger
    1 center who can block
    2 rush linebackers
    1 3-4 DE now that Green is finally gone
    1 ILB who can shed blocks even if he's no great shakes in the passing game
    2 WR who can run short routes, get open.
    1 TE who can block and be a good all around weapon.

    11 players.

    This team needs 11 players and we are SET!
  3. captain stone

    captain stone Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Bill should've drafted Jacksonville's Rashad Jennings in the 7th round - instead of Darryl Richard - this past year. He also had the chance to draft Atlanta's Jason Snelling, or GB's DeShawn Wynn, or the Jints' Ahmad Bradshaw, in the 7th round in '07. There should be no need to expend a top-100 pick on a position which traditionally contains value late - or even very late - into the draft. The FO is just too lazy to look for them. Gotta fulfill the Randy Ratio, after all.
  4. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

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    We had no need for a Jennings with Maroney, Morris, Taylor, Faulk and BJGE already on the roster.

    It sure was lazy of the Patriots digging up that Edelman guy in the seventh round though :rolleyes:
  5. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

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    There isn't a top guy like that in the draft. Someone will be there, of course, but there's no predictable workhorse to be had. I wouldn't mind a Ben Tate in the middle rounds, he could be a younger version of Morris. But a workhorse back in the first or second round really isn't the strength of this draft.
  6. mayoclinic

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    And a partridge in a pear tree.

    I would add one all-purpose back to eventually replace Kevin Faulk, and eventually a RT for when Vollmer moves to LT.
  7. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Faulk's a FA, his eventual replacement may be in 2010 although with the lack of leaders on the team I think Belichick will bring Faulk back.

    I really like McCluster for that role even though he's going to the combine as a WR. If he got a little bigger I think he could survive as a part time RB.
  8. BillBelichickFan79

    BillBelichickFan79 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    RB's are a dime a dozen. You can find them in the middle to late rounds or sign a vet who was cut for a year or two like we do every year. I suggested bringing in McGahee b/c I thought he would be cut by the Ravens after this season, but they are using him more again which leads me to believe they might want to keep him.

    The only way I want to go RB first round is if we get a gamebreaker a la CJ Spiller. He'd bring a home run element out of the backfield and a replacement for Faulk who can catch the ball out of the backfield with ease.

    I think we have bigger needs in the trenches than to go with a power RB in the first round. We could use o-line help as well as d-line and LB help.
  9. Badluck

    Badluck On the Game Day Roster

    we need an offensive coordinator who will realize you cant line up in the spread offense with such a depleted receiving core.
    i felt sorry for fred taylor and all the other running backs we have watching on the sideline in the game against the ravens
  10. DaBruinz

    DaBruinz Pats, B's, Sox PatsFans.com Supporter

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    This team doesn't need 11 players. They need players who can fit into the system and relieve some of the pressure. Getting rid of the zone blocking scheme in its entirety would be better for the Pats running and pass games, though I agree with the need of upgrading from Koppen.

    On defense, having a stout D-line that can hold up against the opposing O-lines and some LBers who are quick enough to shoot the gaps would help out greatly.
  11. DaBruinz

    DaBruinz Pats, B's, Sox PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Why do you post such dumb arse comments?

    Seriously. The "Randy Ratio"?

    To lazy to look for late round diamonds in the rough... where the hell do you get that idea? Their late round picks tend to all be potential diamonds in the rough...

    Brady. Edelman. Givens. Banta-Cain. Slater. Hairston. Smith. Andrews.

    The Pats didn't look for a RB in 2007 because they already had Morris, Faulk, and Maroney. They also had Heath Evans as a FB/RB... Do you remember WHY they needed to use Heath Evans? Because Morris went out with an injury for the year. Something that wasn't expected.

    People like you forget that, in 2007, the Pats had a full roster of 63 players who had spent the previous year with the Pats and they also had signed a few free agents as well who has legitimate experience.. The Pats also didn't like the quality of the players in the draft. It's why they tried to trade so many picks...
  12. fester

    fester On the Game Day Roster

    Ahh, posts like the one DaBruinz is responding to is why CapStone is on my ignore list --- if Stone is so good as a scout/talent evaluator why is he either not working on a perenial Super Bowl winning team (as they should be listening to his every pearl of wisdom on 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders and UDFAs as he never misses despite league-wide success rates of 10-15% after the 5th round (when success is defined as a starter by the end of year 3) or setting up his own private scouting service to out-compete either National or Blesto.
  13. patsfaninpa

    patsfaninpa In the Starting Line-Up

    I can't believe we got run over by a one-dimensional team. Think about it. We knew they couldn't throw and they didn't have to. I know they got great field position after our turnovers. But, we should have held them to a couple of fg's not td's. Compare that game yesterday to the 06 game between Indy/KC. The colts had an awful run-defense and the Chiefs had LJ. The Colts pathetic run defense stuffed kc totally. That's what you do when you're a championship team.

    I want a 3-4 de after yesterday's debacle. I'm sure there are others out there. But, I think J.Odrick from PSU is going to be a good pro. Not great. Just good. That's a start.
    Then trade up in round 2 if one of the olb's we like are still there.
  14. skinnydog

    skinnydog On the Game Day Roster

    Somehow they ran for a lot of yards last year without a stud running back.
  15. carolinatony

    carolinatony In the Starting Line-Up

    What we need is

    1 OG who can run block....a la John Hannah.
    Remeber 4th and 2 against Indy. We can't run block .

    2 WR Welker wilL miss 1/2 the year or more. Slater and Sam Aikens are not the answere and If Moss gets hurt... ouch

    3 OLB We need players to go with Mayo.

    4 DE Warren is a good DT but the rest are average.

    5 Coaching staff- That's up to BB if he feels they can get better.

    6 Resign Vince Losing Seymour didn't help.
  16. captain stone

    captain stone Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    I suggested that Bill draft Jennings - a fairly consensus top 150 talent - instead of yet another DLman - Richard - who was barely a top 300 talent. It is not a stretch to imagine that Jennings would have beaten BJGE for the 5th spot, either.

    The Patriots were obviously not lazy digging up Edelman with the other 7th-rounder; but they are lazy regarding the FB/big RB position. This laziness I believe has manifested itself in the well-deserved "finesse" label under which this offense now suffers.
  17. captain stone

    captain stone Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    ...and now you're on mine, *******. Have a nice ******* life.
  18. captain stone

    captain stone Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Then why did they draft potential diamond in the rough Justice Hairston at the end of the 6th round?
  19. Ochmed Jones

    Ochmed Jones Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I don't usually agree with DaBruinz,after all he's never played a down in his life and usually just reiterates what he reads elsewhere, but I like this post. It is almost perfect.
    If he would have said a stout D Line affords the linebackers the freedom to roam where ever, sideline to sideline or from the LOS to the third level, then I would have been in perfect agreement.

    At the end of the day football games are won and lost in the play of the lines, turnovers and QB play not withstanding.

    On defense, BB's goal is to take away what the opponent does best and/or make the opponent one dimensional. A stout D Line is a major factor in taking away the run.

    On offense we have to decide if we are a pass happy team or a road grading team, before we can figure out what kind of upgrades are needed for the O Line.
  20. klinefan

    klinefan Banned

    Pryor and Richard are too small to play 3-4 DE. Pryor is like 6'1".

    Too short. He's a good 4-3 DT though. Maybe trade him for a 3rd or 4th.

    Ohrenberger was listed as like 6'2" 280 coming out. Maybe he gains a little weight, but he wasn't much in college (did you see Penn state's bowl game that year where they were BLOWN OUT against USC? How'd he look in that? LOL).

    Iaputi OG Idaho, 6'5" 330 and not fat is what we need. He has the power to demolish those DT as well as the agility to pull. That's the kind of thing we need. Not these midgets from munchkin land.

    Rich Ohrnberger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Look at his picture, he looks tiny.

    I maintain the BIGGEST thing we need by far is a legitimate offenseive coordinator. Someone who can mix it up a bit and not just have maroney off tackle, dump pass to welker, bubble screen to welker, randy deep overthrown, maroney off tackle, draw to faulk. I mean 90% of our plays are one of 6 or 7 plays, it's ridiculous.
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2010

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