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  1. midwestpatsfan

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    A power runningback. This offense has to get back to a more balanced attack and to do that they need that guy who they can hand the ball off to 20-25 times a game and pound the ball consistantly.

    Maroney is not the answer-way to inconsistant and cannot be relyed on. Even in his best games, it still wasn't what this team needed and then he started to fumble every game.

    Morris and Taylor are over the hill guys who can be serviceable for a few carries once in awhile, but not an every game back anymore.

    Kevin Faulk is still Kevin Faulk and has a spot on this team

    BJGE- I think he to could be a guy to be the 2nd back in the 2 back system that is needed these days. 5 to 7 carries a game to give the main guy a breather. We need that Corey Dillon type back in here again, that is what brought championships here, not the passing attack this offense has fallen in love with.
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    1 power RB.
    2 OG who can actually block and have size, unlike the dimunitive Ohrenberger
    1 center who can block
    2 rush linebackers
    1 3-4 DE now that Green is finally gone
    1 ILB who can shed blocks even if he's no great shakes in the passing game
    2 WR who can run short routes, get open.
    1 TE who can block and be a good all around weapon.

    11 players.

    This team needs 11 players and we are SET!
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    Bill should've drafted Jacksonville's Rashad Jennings in the 7th round - instead of Darryl Richard - this past year. He also had the chance to draft Atlanta's Jason Snelling, or GB's DeShawn Wynn, or the Jints' Ahmad Bradshaw, in the 7th round in '07. There should be no need to expend a top-100 pick on a position which traditionally contains value late - or even very late - into the draft. The FO is just too lazy to look for them. Gotta fulfill the Randy Ratio, after all.
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    We had no need for a Jennings with Maroney, Morris, Taylor, Faulk and BJGE already on the roster.

    It sure was lazy of the Patriots digging up that Edelman guy in the seventh round though :rolleyes:
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    There isn't a top guy like that in the draft. Someone will be there, of course, but there's no predictable workhorse to be had. I wouldn't mind a Ben Tate in the middle rounds, he could be a younger version of Morris. But a workhorse back in the first or second round really isn't the strength of this draft.
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    And a partridge in a pear tree.

    I would add one all-purpose back to eventually replace Kevin Faulk, and eventually a RT for when Vollmer moves to LT.
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    Faulk's a FA, his eventual replacement may be in 2010 although with the lack of leaders on the team I think Belichick will bring Faulk back.

    I really like McCluster for that role even though he's going to the combine as a WR. If he got a little bigger I think he could survive as a part time RB.
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    RB's are a dime a dozen. You can find them in the middle to late rounds or sign a vet who was cut for a year or two like we do every year. I suggested bringing in McGahee b/c I thought he would be cut by the Ravens after this season, but they are using him more again which leads me to believe they might want to keep him.

    The only way I want to go RB first round is if we get a gamebreaker a la CJ Spiller. He'd bring a home run element out of the backfield and a replacement for Faulk who can catch the ball out of the backfield with ease.

    I think we have bigger needs in the trenches than to go with a power RB in the first round. We could use o-line help as well as d-line and LB help.
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    we need an offensive coordinator who will realize you cant line up in the spread offense with such a depleted receiving core.
    i felt sorry for fred taylor and all the other running backs we have watching on the sideline in the game against the ravens
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    This team doesn't need 11 players. They need players who can fit into the system and relieve some of the pressure. Getting rid of the zone blocking scheme in its entirety would be better for the Pats running and pass games, though I agree with the need of upgrading from Koppen.

    On defense, having a stout D-line that can hold up against the opposing O-lines and some LBers who are quick enough to shoot the gaps would help out greatly.
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    Why do you post such dumb arse comments?

    Seriously. The "Randy Ratio"?

    To lazy to look for late round diamonds in the rough... where the hell do you get that idea? Their late round picks tend to all be potential diamonds in the rough...

    Brady. Edelman. Givens. Banta-Cain. Slater. Hairston. Smith. Andrews.

    The Pats didn't look for a RB in 2007 because they already had Morris, Faulk, and Maroney. They also had Heath Evans as a FB/RB... Do you remember WHY they needed to use Heath Evans? Because Morris went out with an injury for the year. Something that wasn't expected.

    People like you forget that, in 2007, the Pats had a full roster of 63 players who had spent the previous year with the Pats and they also had signed a few free agents as well who has legitimate experience.. The Pats also didn't like the quality of the players in the draft. It's why they tried to trade so many picks...
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    Ahh, posts like the one DaBruinz is responding to is why CapStone is on my ignore list --- if Stone is so good as a scout/talent evaluator why is he either not working on a perenial Super Bowl winning team (as they should be listening to his every pearl of wisdom on 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders and UDFAs as he never misses despite league-wide success rates of 10-15% after the 5th round (when success is defined as a starter by the end of year 3) or setting up his own private scouting service to out-compete either National or Blesto.
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    I can't believe we got run over by a one-dimensional team. Think about it. We knew they couldn't throw and they didn't have to. I know they got great field position after our turnovers. But, we should have held them to a couple of fg's not td's. Compare that game yesterday to the 06 game between Indy/KC. The colts had an awful run-defense and the Chiefs had LJ. The Colts pathetic run defense stuffed kc totally. That's what you do when you're a championship team.

    I want a 3-4 de after yesterday's debacle. I'm sure there are others out there. But, I think J.Odrick from PSU is going to be a good pro. Not great. Just good. That's a start.
    Then trade up in round 2 if one of the olb's we like are still there.
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    Somehow they ran for a lot of yards last year without a stud running back.
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    What we need is

    1 OG who can run block....a la John Hannah.
    Remeber 4th and 2 against Indy. We can't run block .

    2 WR Welker wilL miss 1/2 the year or more. Slater and Sam Aikens are not the answere and If Moss gets hurt... ouch

    3 OLB We need players to go with Mayo.

    4 DE Warren is a good DT but the rest are average.

    5 Coaching staff- That's up to BB if he feels they can get better.

    6 Resign Vince Losing Seymour didn't help.
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    I suggested that Bill draft Jennings - a fairly consensus top 150 talent - instead of yet another DLman - Richard - who was barely a top 300 talent. It is not a stretch to imagine that Jennings would have beaten BJGE for the 5th spot, either.

    The Patriots were obviously not lazy digging up Edelman with the other 7th-rounder; but they are lazy regarding the FB/big RB position. This laziness I believe has manifested itself in the well-deserved "finesse" label under which this offense now suffers.
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    ...and now you're on mine, *******. Have a nice ******* life.
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    Then why did they draft potential diamond in the rough Justice Hairston at the end of the 6th round?
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    I don't usually agree with DaBruinz,after all he's never played a down in his life and usually just reiterates what he reads elsewhere, but I like this post. It is almost perfect.
    If he would have said a stout D Line affords the linebackers the freedom to roam where ever, sideline to sideline or from the LOS to the third level, then I would have been in perfect agreement.

    At the end of the day football games are won and lost in the play of the lines, turnovers and QB play not withstanding.

    On defense, BB's goal is to take away what the opponent does best and/or make the opponent one dimensional. A stout D Line is a major factor in taking away the run.

    On offense we have to decide if we are a pass happy team or a road grading team, before we can figure out what kind of upgrades are needed for the O Line.
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    Pryor and Richard are too small to play 3-4 DE. Pryor is like 6'1".

    Too short. He's a good 4-3 DT though. Maybe trade him for a 3rd or 4th.

    Ohrenberger was listed as like 6'2" 280 coming out. Maybe he gains a little weight, but he wasn't much in college (did you see Penn state's bowl game that year where they were BLOWN OUT against USC? How'd he look in that? LOL).

    Iaputi OG Idaho, 6'5" 330 and not fat is what we need. He has the power to demolish those DT as well as the agility to pull. That's the kind of thing we need. Not these midgets from munchkin land.

    Rich Ohrnberger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Look at his picture, he looks tiny.

    I maintain the BIGGEST thing we need by far is a legitimate offenseive coordinator. Someone who can mix it up a bit and not just have maroney off tackle, dump pass to welker, bubble screen to welker, randy deep overthrown, maroney off tackle, draw to faulk. I mean 90% of our plays are one of 6 or 7 plays, it's ridiculous.
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    So what they need is another Curtis Martin. I say, you're better off trying to pry Stephen Jackson away from St. Louis than finding a Ray Rice, Kevin Smith, Jamaal Charles, Slaton, Tashard Choice or Hightower. Because, let's not forget, the Patriots can't draft. Or seem to conveniently "miss out" on the steals. Even when the talent is in front of their faces, they typically pass.

    A good point was made on the radio yesterday about the Patriots needing to learn to draft linebackers and change their system to fit this player rather than the usual drafting players to fit their system. They've to do something and fast. Change your way of thinking. Because these talented players every draft, whatever the position, offense or defense, are slipping through Belichick's fingers and other teams are prospering.
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    I like Dwyer although his YPC is likely skewed based on the triple option offense and he's had to do very little pass blocking. He also hasn't caught many passes, although it is said that he has fine hands.
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    Almost every player, outside of the top 10, has question marks. Some of those players overcome those question marks or prove that they were unwarrented. Others don't - these are generally busts.

    For the last season posters have brought up Cushing, Matthews and Maualuga. And yes, all three had good seasons although they might not have had such good seasons in the Pats scheme (and I appreciate your point about possibly changing the scheme, but for now it is what it is). Yet all three had question marks - Cushing and Matthews over possible size/steroids implications, Maualuga fell to the mid-second because of serious question marks over him over-pursuing and not having the speed to make up for it.

    Possible busts after only the 2009 season: Aaron Maybin, Alphonso Smith, Eben Britton, Pat White (or at least he hasn't come close to finding a role yet) - all are players that some people had been suggesting for us pre-draft. Robert Ayers, another 1st round pass rusher, may only now be starting to come good for the Broncos.

    Let's not even mention Vernon Gholston, Branden Albert, Derrick Harvey, Glenn Dorsey and Chris Long, all from the 1st round of the 2008 draft.


    Simply, drafting is not an exact science. And we're not really all that bad at it - how about Vollmer, Pryor and Edelman this year?
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    He may have been a favor to Scott Pioli, who also graduated from Central Connecticut State.
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    I was being facetious... My main point is to say that the Patriots have passed on players that were there for the taking and they chose not to select them because of their system. Again, maybe Belichick needs to reconsider his approach to the draft when drafting in any round. Oftentimes, the character of a player plays into it. But New England has drafted players with questionable characters and/or were involved in incidents possibly detrimental to their draft stock. For instance, they'd drafted Meriweather. Not to mention, trading for Randy Moss.

    I'm not saying you draft Maualuga. But Laurinaitis was still available... If you can take the time to interview a player about character concerns. Why can't you reconsider a player who may have to play at a different position or change his role on your team but the talent is there to make your team.
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    That's what I thought at the time, also. Pity; he could've been signed as a UDFA, and that pick could've been used on somebody who could've actually helped.
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    Because I think we still will have Maroney, Faulk and Morris i think Bill will go for Anthony Dixon ... he may be able to even get him in a trade down to upper round 3.

    What was really nice was when we had Corey Dillon ... he was a great pass blocker ... not just good but great. We don't have that this year outside of Kevin Faulk ... we need a RB who can run and pass block to help this offense work. Maroney sucks at pass blocking - he looks like a pinball out there.
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    I think changing your system to fit the player is a terrible idea. If anything BB's major problem remains his inability to draft players for the OLB position and coach them up.

    Pittsburgh drafts a Timmons or Woodley and stashes them for a year or two while they are coached up and then unleashes them as contributors in the base defense. BB has NO development program for the LB position.It is the only position on the field except kickers that he does not develop players from within.

    The sad thing is that the retreads he is salvaging from around the league are low level contributors at best and he is paying top dollar for them.
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    Well, Vrabel and Rosey Colvin fit into this category too then, and they worked out.

    The problem for BB is that he needs 260 pounders for that position who can run, and those guys are rarely available in the draft.

    That being said, Vrabel, Colvin and Adalius were all to be had by any team that wanted them in the draft.

    I'm imagining that BB believes most guys that fit the description resemble Gholston, but every once in a while, a guy that looks like Gholston turns into Brian Orakpo. I guess BB should just take chances on guys like this and if it's a bust (high probability) it's a bust. Look at Michael Johnson last year and Carlos Dunlap this year. Do you take them?

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