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  1. PatsFanInMaine

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    Rep. Murtha has been claiming that the situation in Iraq has deteriorated greatly. Rep. Murtha has told us he receives this information from soldiers that he has talked to. Apparently his information does not come from these members of a Guard Unit in Murtha's own District.

    http://www.tribune-democrat.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_183003158.html
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    Great news from the soldiers on the ground, this will Left wing defeatist like Murtha nuts. He'll call Cindy Sheehan she'll cheer him up.

    BTW here is a good article about the Iraqi's security forces.

    linkhttp://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2006/20060707_5604.html

    Good to see the Iraqi's taking charge, our guys have done a great job training them. There are actually some who thought they were unwilling to fight for their freedom.
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    There is some good news, but I read that terrorist activity hasn't decreased since Zarqaqi was killed and at least 1000 civilians per month are still being killed. I wonder why the liberal press is failing to report the extent of terrorist activity in Iraq?
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    I am not aware of the figures. I think it has been hard to get a handle on exact number of civilian deaths. There is a lot of speculation and not enough hard facts.

    Patters to you have a link for those figures?
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    And you have never stepped one ******* foot on the ground in Iraq, so why don't you shut the **** up, ignorant old traitorous fool.
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    Hey Patters here are sime figures on the casualities rates one couumn list the # of deaths per day. This provides a view on the activity of the insurgents. It doesn't account for the numbers of insurgents killed.

    Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
    7-2006 5 0 0 5 0.71 7
    6-2006 62 0 2 64 2.13 30
    5-2006 69 9 1 79 2.55 31
    4-2006 76 1 5 82 2.73 30
    3-2006 31 0 2 33 1.06 31
    2-2006 55 3 0 58 2.07 28
    1-2006 62 2 0 64 2.06 31
    12-2005 68 0 0 68 2.19 31
    11-2005 84 1 1 86 2.87 30
    10-2005 96 2 1 99 3.19 31
    9-2005 49 3 0 52 1.73 30
    8-2005 85 0 0 85 2.74 31
    7-2005 54 3 1 58 1.87 31
    6-2005 78 1 4 83 2.77 30
    5-2005 80 2 6 88 2.84 31
    4-2005 52 0 0 52 1.73 30
    3-2005 35 1 3 39 1.26 31
    2-2005 58 0 2 60 2.14 28
    1-2005 107 10 10 127 4.1 31
    12-2004 72 1 3 76 2.45 31
    11-2004 137 4 0 141 4.7 30
    10-2004 63 2 2 67 2.16 31
    9-2004 80 3 4 87 2.9 30
    8-2004 66 4 5 75 2.42 31

    They also link to civilian deaths, It doesn't specify if civilians deaths woudl inculde insurgents, who aren't in uniform.


    some more from this site, they lunp the security forces and civilian deaths together. We could be seeing an increase in the number of deaths among security forces relative to the civilians, due to their increased activity in fighting the insurgents.

    Iraqi Security Forces and Civilian Deaths
    Period Total
    Jul-06 179
    Jun-06 870
    May-06 1120
    Apr-06 1010
    Mar-06 1094
    Feb-06 846
    Jan-06 780
    Iraqi Security Forces and Civilian Deaths Details
    Note: This is an estimate based on news reports. This

    link http://icasualties.org/oif/

    The figures this month are very good thus far. Hopefully this will continue. June was good in terms of the Irawi casualities, the tate has been lower for Jult thus far. Perhaps the effect of the killing of Zarqwai and damaging Al Queda is starting to show up in the figures. It was assumed the terrorist would try to increase their activity as revenge for killing the Al Queda in Iraq leader.

    The Iraqi casualities seem to be down in June relative to the other months.
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    3000 citizens have passed through the morgue in May and June...the majority with a bullet to the head.

    http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/ne...DST_0_NEWS-IRAQ-MORGUE-COL.XML&archived=False

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    It's getting good? it's getting worse? I quess it's what you want to believe?
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    You need a longer sample after Zarqwai's death to see if a trend is developing. It looks like March through May were tough. the US rates had gotten > 4 deaths per day in some months we are way below that now. Hopefully it gets better asap.
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    I ain't hoping it's getting worse, I'm hoping it;s getting better, just in this war there is so much crap being said about it, that you learn not to believe, you learn to wait and see if it's true.
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    Amen to that! :cool:
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    I agree there's a lot of speculation and not enough hard facts. From what I've read, Iraqi officials suspect the number of deaths is higher than reported because there are areas they can't get into and communications breakdowns are frequent. At any rate, thanks for the numbers you posted, and here's the article I based my comment that the death toll hasn't shrunk:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060703...ppX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
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    PatsFaninEaglesLand, while I am not fond of NEM's rhetoric, whether or not he has "stepped foot in Iraq" has nothing to do with his right to have an opinion or to choose any words he wants to.

    99% of the American people have never stepped foot in Iraq, and for all I know, you may be one of them. But since your future and the future of America is impacted by what happens there, no one can tell you that you don't have a right to express your opinion about it, whether you are calm and rational or obnoxious and partisan.

    It seems to me that attempting to match NEM's overheated rhetoric won't win you any awards. Show us--rationally--where he is mistaken, if you can. That's the way to persuade. Anything else is venting.
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    BS, I have been to Iraq twice and by his own posts he knows nothing about what is going own there. I am getting tired of the garbage that if you are enlisted you are a god damned brainwashed fool, **** him, and that officers are some how all war profiters who don't care for anyone but themselves.
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    But not as much as you.

    Then again, old dogs and new tricks arent exactly a winning combination.

    You'll die dumber than when you were born.
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    Putting On My Moderator's Hat

    Please refrain from personal attacks. (The same request has been made to NEM in another thread.)

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    I'm curious where Bush and the crime cabal get their info too. First we were told three Iraqi battalions were trained, then zero, now its something different every day depending on who you listen to.

    Seems to me that noone really has a handle on what is going on over there. Partly due to the fact that we are actively propagandizing the situation on the ground, and partly due to the fact that what people report from the green zone may be a whole lot different from what people see everywhere else.

    Rest assured though PFinMe, you won't be asked to sacrifice a thing and neither will I. Its Bush's war, and he can go eff off if he expects me to pay for it while I'm getting fleeced at the gas pump.

    As for your investments, I'm glad you are making a killing off this war.

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