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What RB would you like IF we took one early?

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  1. carolinatony

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    I am not sure we take one in the first 2 rounds but we can if we want.
    Be nice to have CJ Spiller who can break it any time but I kinda like a more power runner like Toby Gerhart.

    Pass Rush is more important but we all know BB and IF someone drops to us he make take him.

    Who's your guy if we went this route?
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    I agree that drafting pass rushers is probably more important, but CJ Spiller would be great pick up if they decide to take RB. He can be used on kick-off/punt returns, 3rd down back and 3rd/4th receiver in the two back formation. Based on what he has shown in college, he seems to fill multiple needs on the Patriots roster.
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    CJ Spiller as an all-purpose threat. Jonathan Dwyer as a workhorse.
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    Best from California.. but because of injury can be had in 2nd round
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    Ryan Matthews as a workhorse, Dexter McCluster as an all-purpose threat. Although your way works too.
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    we dont need to draft a running back early, especially not the first or second.
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    CJ Spiller as home run threat and all purpose guy. Jonathan Dwyer as power guy/workhorse. I seem to agree with MayoClinic on a lot draft things :p
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    As someone else mentioned, Jahvid Best is also an option at RB, somewhat between Spiller and McCluster in terms of where he will probably go in the draft.
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    Ryan Matthews is solid, but I think Dwyer is definitely the best all around back in the draft. Great combo of size, power, and speed. I remember watching him annihilate a LB on the U and also out run the secondary of Florida St.

    He reminds me of a young Larry Johnson with better breakaway speed and quickness. I love the way he runs and the emotion he plays with. LJ was one of my favorite players growing up, so obviously I'm a fan of Dwyer.

    If the Simmons thing has any truth to it, this is the "stud" RB I would think he is talking about.
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    Matthews is looking like a mid-round pick right? Maybe 3rd? If Pat Hill gives the recommendation, I'm sure BB will pull the trigger. Being a Fresno St. fan, I've watched Matthews singlehandedly keep the Bulldogs in games with HUGE runs. Just look at the Boise St. game - YouTube - Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State (2009) ...starts at 30seconds.

    Good size (5'11" 220) with very nice breakaway speed. Really hits the hole.

    BTW... that 3rd TD run against Boise, that's Kyle Wilson Matthews beats to the endzone. Some have Wilson ranked as a top 5 CB in the draft.
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    Jahvid Best i guess
    but i would rather wait next year and hopefully use the raiders pick on a guy like Mark Ingram
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    Ingram is a beast but there is no gaurntee in football, Ingram could (God forbid) tear an ACL or have a terrible season. You have to draft for now.
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    I'm through drafting rb's. We are not very good at it apparently. I'd rather take my chances on drafting a smashmouth guard and Center to make the committee formidable.

    But if we had to take one early I'd probably go with Toby Gerhart in the 3rd round with a trade down with our final 2nd round pick. Maybe it aquires a 2nd next year? Anyhow, that's as early as I take one and I think he will be there early in the third even though naysayers will claim he is going in the 2nd. I'll take my chances because that's how high of a priority I think RB is to this team right now.
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    If we want to have a better running game, we need a top OF, a FB and a TE or two (with Watson leaving). These are much more important than getting an improvement from our four running backs.

    And just BTW, I don't want to emphasize the running game. I would much prefer that we get another receiver or two, and an OC, and have a better passing game.
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    Because our runningbacks have a really good health record? (Taylor, Morris, Maroney). Dude these guys are the poster childs for glass factories around the nation! And none of them counts as a real powerback for the 3rd and short/goal line situations either.

    Interior OL is a priority as well, but there's nothing really special in that runningback stable right now. There's no workhorse back to count on to carry you in the playoffs or grind out the clock in the 4th Q of a must win game.
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    i completely understand but right now we dont have the offensive line to run the ball on a consistent basis which is why i said best who can do more than just run the ball
    im not saying bet it all on ingram but just keep it as a little thought in the back of your mind that the next emmit smith might be in the draft next year:D
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    I agree.

    I'd like them to take care of the pass rush and ILB issues first. Maybe take a flyer in the 5th round and go for Joique Bell. He's a D2 RB but should be a good pick up for a late round pick.

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    Just curious as to why you want more passing. I like more balance and that RB that break a long run which we really don't have.
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    I don't want us to be a run-first team, but I would like us to be diversified. My ideal model would be something like the Saints, with too many offensive weapons to cover and balance between run and pass. You can still be pass-first and an explosive offense while having balance. It doesn't have to be 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

    Part of the key is to integrate the backs into the passing attack more the way the Saints do. That will open things up considerably. First, teams won't always know we're going to run when we have a running back in the backfield, and pass when we don't. Second, our OL will never be a dominant run-blocking line as long as protecting Brady is our 1st priority, and getting the ball to the backs with some room to do their thing is more efficient then having them try to run into a crowd.
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    Cousin, I am with you on Gerhert. 1,800 yards on a mediocre team and 27 TDs. Not even close. Spiller is like 190lbs. What is everyone thinking? He is a Steve Slaton type who will get run down after a while like Slaton did.
    Gehert is like Dillon.
    I would rather concentrate on some D areas and pick up LenDale White. We laughed at the Vikes for "overpaying" for Allen. Where can we get one of those. BTW Is DE Ray Edwards going to be an UFA? He looked great today and I believe the Pats considered him in the Draft.
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    I want the top picks to either go to the D-Line, O-Line or pass rush. I'd rather see the Pats go after an FA like Jerious Norwood or Chester Taylor who both can probably be had cheap and can not only be the number one back but can pass block.
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    You got it backwords cuz, Spiller will most likely show up at the combine at about 200, right now hes 195. Spiller isnt like a steve slaton but more like a Felix Jones. He can do pretty much everything and hes a homerun threat everytime he touches the ball. Now if you want a Dillion type back, Toby Gerhart isnt your man either, I dont see Gerhart with a long career at all because a) he runs straight up and down just asking to take big hits and b) Hes the type of back that a team will give the ball to 25 times. Gerhart is no homerun threat in the NFL 0, Zilch, nothing. He will be best used as a short yardage back. We dont have some sort of great runing oline so its not like they are just going to pave the way for Gerhart and its not like he has any moves what so ever so honestly he wouldn't be a successful back here IMO. Dwyer is your best option if you want a Corey Dillion type back who can take the ball 20-25 times a game. I want that Felix Jones type with game breaking speed and good hands. I say a running back rotation of Morris Maroney Spiller is much better than Morris Maroney Gehart. Ryan Matthews is another back who could be like a Kill the Clock Corey type. No hes not like Ray Rice but more like Ryan Grant of the Packers.
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    I think that Taylor, Morris and Faulk all fit this model well, Maroney a bit less well since he isn't as good as a receiver (but is a better kick returner).

    For me, the problem is not personnel (although a young back and a short yardage back or fullback would be fine with me)

    The issue is scheme. We notice the lack of running game because the passing game is not diversified enough. Brady needs to use 7-8 targets a game. I would note that both the colts running game and the chargers running game are pretty ineffective. I wouldn't expect ours to be much better as long as we are a Brady run offense. The saints are certainly a passing team. Ther reason their running game seems effective is because their QB, receivers and offensive schemes are so good.

    I suppose we can spend a 1st, 2nd and 4th and hope for a Reggie Bush. I just don't expect us to do that. The offense would do much better adding a starting OG, speed receiver and a kick returner in the 4th.

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    Spiller is a no brainer. I've been wanting to draft a replacement for Faulk for a few years now, but if we can get Spiller he'd be a perfect it. Our team would look a lot like the Titans with Spiller (Johnson) and Maroney (White). Now if we had some OL to help block...
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    :yeahthat:

    We saw time and again this year that our OL cant run block - at all - so whats the point of putting a rookie RB in behind a line when he'l get the ball with 3 defenders in his face

    We need new faces on both lines - thats where the game is won and lost and why we lost out last year *that and my Grandma could have done a better job calling the offense*
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    That's like saying we cant stop the pass so why waste a pick on a corner when we could load up on the run, It doesn't work like that but you do have to be careful of the type of back you pick because if you take a between the tackles runner and throw him in a zone blocking scheme without great blocking (we had more rushing yards than the vikings I think) he might get swallowed up, but a game breaker like spiller who doesn't necessarily need great blocking because of his ability to make a guy miss in the backfield could prove useful in the running and passing game.
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    The Pats need to take Toby off their draft board completely before Belichick gets a Tommy Vardell flashback and trades into the top 10 to get him.
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    Some would think using our first round draft choice on a running back shows "no-brains", indeed a no-brainer.

    Mayo is careful to show us trading up for an additional first to get Spiller.

    Using our only first for a running back may indeed be a no-brainer but not in the sense you mean,

    And just BTW, if we draft offense at 22, I suspect that Belichick is much more likely to draft an OG or a TE.

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