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List his pros and cons.
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I think Ellis Hobbs has great potential....He's still young and 2007 is proving to be a great season for him.
Pros: Good anticipation on defense / strong runner / catches the ball like a receiver / good tackler - he's got so many pros, it's hard to list them all. The interception in the Giants game was great.. He reads the QB really well.
Cons : Mmm... can we see some Hester like action in the Playoffs?
"Don't kick to Hobbs" would be a good one to have.... I hope he has a great kickoff or punt return in the playoffs.
I still think the 108 yard run in the season opener against the Jets was one of the most electrifying runs I've seen in football.
2.confident in his ability (he won't get down on himself)
3.makes clutch plays every once in a while (giants game)
1. always seems to be late, at least on my TV it looks like whenever a WR runs a curl or something similar, Hobbs is late, and makes contact with the receiver about a second after the ball is caught.
2. Has trouble with tall receivers, such as Burress (sp?)
3. Many pass interference calls, not all are justified, but he gets called for them a lot.
Overall I think he is fine as a #2 CB. What can you expect? Yes, we all wish for a CB tandem of Asante and Champ Baily, but that probably won't happen.
My only realistic beef with Hobbs is that he plays too far of the receiver on short third downs. He's ripe for the pickings for one of those quick drop lauches the Pats do.
I keep expecting teams to throw it, but they never do.
Other than that minor gripe, he's fine. He's a willing and able tackler. He gives up yards, but rarely gets burned. He has given up a couple of blown red-zone TDs, but he isn't 2002 Champ Bailey. He always seems to lose concentration for a few plays or a series but, as someone said before, he doesn't lack for confidence and recovers. Confidence is almost as important as skill at CB. His timing in breaking up plays could be better, but he also doesn't get faked easily on double moves or react too quickly (jump routes incorrectly).
Even before his 108er, I thought he was electric on returns, though he seems to be developing tunnel vision.
As a #2, he's more than anyone could ask for, really. To break down every major +/- individually, (as I see) it would take forever and would prolly bore people. To me, his main job is to not get burned deep. He rarely does.
i think he is equal to samuel at the same point in their careers.
i hope you were joking about that
Pros: Athletic, quick with great leaps, short memory (good thing)
Cons: poor tackler, gets pushed around by bigger WRs. Ball skills need work. Always a step off as he gives up too much cushion
Great potential with good build..short but strong. Needs to do a better job tackling and getting in position to finish plays
look, unless we know the gameplan, and specifically wut he is being asked to do....i cant say his pros and cons....
to me i think he gives recievers way too much room in front of him...however, if he is told he will never have safety help, and to make sure he just doesnt get beat deep....i dont blame him for the cushion....
other then his huge cushin, i dont know wut else to fault the guy on...the cushion is why hes had such a bad season this yr from wut i saw....
and sometimes bad position, as in the pass to plax in the second play of the giants game...bad position....i remember in the last AFCCG he tipped a ball away from a reggie wayne who if he had caught it, would have had a td...can he still do that?
i wonder....and i hope i wont have to find out
Could have said pretty much the same about Asante in 2005...except for the leaping. They play the coverage as they are coached to.
BB, Zara, and Remix pretty much hit the nail on the head for me. Minus the poor tackling.
One thing I would agree with is the kickoff returns. It seemed for awhile he fell in love with that spin move at first contract, which is fine once and again but not repeatedly. Since then it seems like he's been consistently in the 15-25 yard range. Maybe sometimes guys who break one early in the year get to thinking a bit too much.
As for his corner skills, I agree: he's about as good or more than what you could ask for out of a 2nd corner. He gets sha* on a little bit in the media, but I don't have a problem with him. I think it's realistic to think his peak will be slighly better than what is is now. How old is he? 24?
Pros-great hustle, quick, hits hard for size, mentally resilient.
Cons-short, not smooth.
Pros: He's a good tackler, keeps up with recievers on deep routes, good on kick off returns, comes up big in crunch time.
Cons: Get's beat too much, struggles against tall recievers, gets called for pass interference too often (however most of them can be arguement to not be his fault), doesn't make many plays on the ball (pass break ups or interceptions)
This is what I have observed from watching Hobbs.
That's true, isn't it? Still young and learning, though. Like a sophomore.
As a caveat to my opinion: 98% of what I've seen of him is from TV. DBs are generally off the screen for a majority of the play. To this, and in his defense, his on-screen appearances are generally when he is being "exposed".
where are u guys getting that hes a hard / good tackler? He misses a ton of tackles, gets stiff armed, run over, hes o the ground too much.
When your an excellent team, opponents pick on your weaknesses. We don't have many so they pick on the little that we have. One which is ellis. He's the same guy as last year if not better, just being targeted more. opponents probably think of it as don't throw to asante side, unless the guys is really open. The only other person left to throw to is ellis.
Plays too far off at the line of scrimmage yet he's late in covering the mid-range/deep stuff. So what exactly is Hobbs strong suit on defense?? I haven't found it. Ellis Hobbs is THE weakest link on that side of the ball. We had better hope the D-line amps up their push and pressure on QB's in the playofffs to minimize the damage teams can do against Hobbs. You can only hope to slow the bleeding with Hobbs, you'll never stop it because he's a weak link and teams know it and can/do exploit him. I don't even want to think about losing Assante Samuel. Talk about ugly!!!
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