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What Are the Tea Party Patriots

  1. Racist White Rednecks out to ruin the country

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  2. Will be gone once Obama is out of office

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  3. American Citizens of all races and political groups tired of the B.S. of the Fed Govt

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    #51 Jersey

    Alot of people think of the Tea Party Patriots(this is what they are actually called) as:
    (A) either good for the country such as small business owners and people fed up with what the government is doing, spending their money, and willing to fight to keep their freedom.

    (B) Others think that the Tea Party Patriots are racist, white, rich, conservatives that all asembled because there is a "black president" in office.

    BUT, what are really the Tea Party Patriots??
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    Your poll doesn't really correspond to your post, so to clarify, I think the "tea party" will generally be gone by the next election after a Republican is elected to the white house again -- but that's not simply due to race, it's everything the right has labeled Obama as.
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    The immediate response is shills for the corporatists.. but the best choice is not the choice offered.

    Better question is who are the "Surprise Tea Party Patriots" who partnered with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the "Insane Azzclown Birther Posse"????

    Who really cares about this crap, you title implies that they are some type of "patriots".. and those who are not part of this group are not. They are no more or less any more of a patriot than the rest of us.
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    There aren't any pat answers, are there? Tea Party members are as varied as are Democrats - and their reasons and rationale are all different.

    Personally, and I am not making blanket statements about the entire Tea Party here, I think that, for the most part, the people who are followers are good people - fed up with what they consider "big" government and high taxes. I think they're afraid - and maybe rightfully so - I'm afraid, too, but of different things. I think they're so afraid that they turn out all the scary stuff that the Tea Party politicians promise sometimes. Or, at the very least, they don't think of the consequences. I've heard people here insist, time and time again, that The Tea Party is only about making the government smaller - and that they don't even have opinions on anything else. But the truth is, they BETTER have opinions on everything else. There's a whole lot of elected Tea Party politicians who are already hell-bent on removing a lot of things which serve a good purpose - and if they think they will not, personally, be affected by the loss of these programs, they're going to find out the hard way that they are wrong.

    I think the people who have organized The Tea Party and those who are rapidly funneling billions of dollars into it are basically self-serving, power hungry individuals - many of whom are racist and who are determined to back the nation into a corner and use their guns - or make other people use their guns, to be more to the point. Meanwhile, they will sit there and reap the spoils of a county divided.

    I believe many of them have a racial and a religious agenda and they've found a way to prey on the average Joe's fears and nightmares and use them to their own advantage.

    I do not, however, think that the "average Joe" Tea Party member really understands what will happen if they succeed. I think the average member simply is afraid and wants to blame someone, (in this case "big government") for everything which is wrong in their lives and is convinced that if we can only take away the power that the government has over us that life will once again be like it was in the 50s and 60s.

    I think many good people block out the racist/homophobic/Christian-only part of the Tea Party - unless they actively embrace it - which some of them do.
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    The Tea Party is the right wing of the Republican Party.

    It's a collection of racists, homophobes, vindictive people, mentally ill people (such as birthers and those who think Obama is a Muslim), selfish people, and people who blame their failures on people of color and illegal immigrants.

    It also includes social conservative/libertarian Republicans, the one legitimate element in the Tea Party.
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    The Tea Party has almost as many problems with the pub establishment as with the dems.
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    Thank goodness we have unbiased perfect liberals around to tell us which opinions are legitimate.
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    are yougoing to make a case for any of the other "types" he listed? ;)
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    Funny, sounds just like some democrats I know....y'all know the type. Deep history of blue-collar lifestyle mainly in the trades. They are not all republicans, that's for damn sure.

    We can ALWAYS count on Patters to get in his childish political jabs upon conservatives. As if they're bad Americans.

    So whether you are liberal or conservative, celebrate your values and ideals because the FACT is, neither one is on the "Right side" of morality, justice or humanity.

    The above is a fact, not an opinion. Accept it and you will find peace in the world of politics. :D
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    2 of the leading politicians of the Tea Party movement are Allen West and Herman Cain, if the racist premise had any validity that wouldn't be the case. They are popular because of their positions on the issues.
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    The Far Left Wing New Democrat Socialist Communists of America created the need for what is called "The Tea Party"

    Extreme Liberalsim gave birth to the Tea Party.

    America will never allow it's Constitution to be destroyed, NEVER.

    12 million criminals have invaded America but America will handle it.
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    I am rejecting his characterization. Shall we judge Obama by a church where sermons about the U.S. government creating AIDS were preached? There are crazy ideas on both sides.
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    The smiley face indicated tongue in cheek....


    (btw, is the notion of the US government creating AIDS really so far fetched? We know the government knowingly infected foreigners as well as US citizens, and we know the government has developed various weapons, including biological weapons.)
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    See the Tuskeegee Institute..
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    Yes. They aren't capable of anything that effective. :p

    All the evidence suggests that it is a variant of SIV.
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    :) We are quite good at killing, though.

    (I'm not saying the government did create it -- just that it's not so far fetched a notion, imo.)
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    Racism is different today than it was 50 years ago. 50 years ago, racism involved Jim Crow, KKK, segregation, denied voting rights, and workplace and school discrimination. Today, it manifests itself differently. It manifests in the false belief that our society is no longer racist, that a minority or woman has the same opportunities as a white person. You don't need to be white to believe that. You can be black, Latino, gay, a woman, or anyone else to believe that. Racism today means that you embrace false premises that allow people to suffer.

    The most blatant example of Tea Party/Libertarian racism is in terms of equal opportunities to higher education and the belief that businesses should be allowed to discriminate. The reality is that most black families are poorer than white families. Most blacks did not come from families with assets (houses, savings, etc.) because their parents or grandparents were legally discriminated against. Thus, using blacks as an example, they start off in life at a competitive disadvantage. Those disadvantages are reinforced every time we raise the cost of college, cut student loan programs, reduce funding for public schools, force public schools to hire low-cost teachers, etc. Those disadvantages would be reinforced if businesses were allowed to discriminate. While the marketplace might prevent a company like GM from discriminating, the local store in a community that feared the influx of Latinos, blacks, or gays might very well discriminate, and make those minorities feel unwelcome in their communities, and push them out. I've been in restaurants in the south with my partner, where we were seated in a dark corner, stared at, and provided with rude service. If I lived in those communities, I would not feel comfortable. I would not feel equal. We can distinguish between racist and beliefs that amount to racism, but the difference is slim. Were those Jews who worked for the Nazis, helping them develop nuclear weapons, anti-Semites? Of course. The same logic applies to people like Herman Cain and Allen West.
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    It is true there is discrimination in higher ed against Asians and Caucasians who must have higher test scores that Black and Latino students to be admitted to many schools. So yea there is still discrimination and it is still wrong.

    Herman Cain and Alan West aren't products of affirmative action they are men of accomplishment, who understand the real promise of America, this is deeply threathening to the lib establishment who has a vested interest in continued poverty to make voters dependent on government largess which the pols and bureaucrats get power and wealth from administering.
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    Allen West was the product of affirmative action, when the military started taking affirmative steps to bring about equality -- starting with Truman. West's father (according t Wikipedia) was a career military officer. Had it not been for affirmative action, he would not have risen through the ranks. The military is often cited as being a leader in affirmative action. Up until the 1950s, the military discriminated against blacks.

    Herman Cain's mother was a cleaner and father a chauffeur (according to Wikipedia). He too was in the military, which again was a leader in affirmative action, affording all its members equal opportunity. That surely helped give him an opportunity to demonstrate his abilities.

    Besides that, there have always been exceptional people who were able to overcome racism and discrimination, but not everyone is exceptional, not everyone has that kind of native intelligence or develops those kinds of broadly accepted social skills.
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    There exists another form of Racism in America today a form of Racism that a good liberal would rather set themselves on fire than admit it existed, Young Black Americans towards "WHITE" it's ignored and constantly trying to be covered up by the Left Wing Media, but it's there.

    Now I will be attacked for mentioning it.
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    The military didn't lower or changed their standards on the basis of race. So no affirmative action there is a huge difference between achievement based on the quality of the individual and people advanced due to the color of their skin.
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    Of course there are individuals of all races who engage in repulsive behaviors. In a population of millions, there will certainly be some in any group who are classic racists, i.e., hate people simply because they are different from them. The left wing media doesn't cover it up, but does ask, How can we stop this from happening? Regardless of the color of a person, if they beat up someone else because they are black, white, gay, a woman, Latino, etc., what can we do to prevent that from happening. The right wing talks about personal responsibility, but never offers a plan how to help people achieve that. The left wing wants better education, day care so single moms can work, and government jobs. The only reason we have welfare instead of workfare is because welfare is cheaper. It's expensive to set up workfare because you have to have supervisors, training staff, facilities, insurance, and so on. Harry, surely you've known from your days in Cambridge some of the down and out. How do you help them turn their lives around, especially if they don't have the social skills, education, or intelligence? What do you propose? I work with some of these people (mostly white, but also some blacks and Hispanics), and they do not have an idea of how to get started. An example: A young woman who was stabbed almost to death is now afraid of people in general (PTSD). She wants to be a hair stylist. I said, "How are you going to get work if you can't deal with people?" She replied, "I'll hire others." I said, "How are you going to hire other people if you don't have money?" She stared at me blankly. She's a good decent person, but doesn't have the first idea of how to get started. She needs extensive training in things that people like us take for granted. When people are angry and blame others because of their race or something else, there's something wrong with them and they need help. What's their alternative? Starving? Committing crimes? Living under a bridge?
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    The military absolutely took steps to integrate minorities into the military. Their standards for promotion are broad enough to include people who may be from disadvantaged backgrounds. At least in the Army, to be promoted, you don't have to be the best, you have to be qualified by a reasonably broad set of standards. You have to be qualified, but not necessarily the best in order to get promoted.

    In the early 70s, affirmative action was more blatant in the military, where records of black soldiers were reviewed for possible discrimination, and if there was evidence of racism, that info was expunged, so that those blacks had a greater chance of being promoted.

    Those are examples of true affirmative action. The military to my knowledge never had quotas, but quotas are only one aspect of affirmative action.
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    Um, two things, PF13.

    1) Allen West is no longer a Tea Party Flavorite of the Week - he burned that bridge back when he voted for Bohner's debt ceiling bill. Unless you've got news to the contrary and they've kissed and made up, The Tea Party plans to attempt replacing him next election.

    Tea Party leaders announced Thursday that they will mount primary challenges against four freshmen Republicans who have declared their support for John Boehner's debt ceiling plan.

    According to The Hill, the Tea Party groups are calling the four congressmen -- Allen West (Fla.), James Lankford (Okla.), Mike Kelly (Pa.), and Bill Flores (Texas) -- “Tea Party defectors.”


    Allen West Blasts Tea Party 'Schizophrenia' Over Debt Ceiling

    2) Herman Cain may be a leading Tea Party member - but he hardly qualifies as a politician. He's never held office that I know of and he's no more a "politician" than Donald Trump is/was a politician. They are rich men dabbling in politics because they can afford to.
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    When I was in the Military in the 70's black people who advanced on the basis of merit, not because they needed a break because they were black.


    Frankly I am surprised it is racist and condescending to imply that about people in the military although it is and has been widespread practice in liberal institutions like Universities.


    Interesting article on the race card against the Tea Party over at National review today.

    Obama


    The rest of the article is equally on point about the hypocrisy of libs with respect to race.
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    Wrong on all counts. I am a Tea Party person and talk with many others. Most want West to become President someday, perhaps in 2020 after 8 years of H Cain or Palin.


    West in a radio interview today not especially the economic comments from minutes 6 to 9.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/allen-west/2011/09/28/allen-west-obama-intentionally-killing-economy
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    Better tell Colin Powell who got his brigadier general appointment when his superior officers demanded a new list with black names on it. He would not have been considered otherwise because he was considered too young to make the list in the first place. An exception was made in order to give Secretary Alexander a black as he had requested. Powell, who has always been forthright in his defense of affirmative action, says himself that he wouldn't have appeared on the second list or been made the youngest general in the Army if it had not been for preferential treatment.

    People imagine the military as a place where "people rise or fall according to their merits, not their race." But this is a misconception. The services set stringent guidelines for minority recruitment and promotion that sometimes surpass the supposed excesses of racially obsessed university admissions officers. For instance the Air Force, long the most resistant of the services to affirmative action, recently changed its promotion policy to increase its number of black pilots. Now, 90 percent of black applicants are accepted, compared with only 20 percent of white applicants. Do you believe this is the result of pure "equal opportunity," with nary a drop of "racial preference"?

    Both the Navy and the Marines have set themselves five-year deadlines to make their officer corps 12-percent African-American, 12-percent Latino, and 5-percent Asian-American. In a Nation article supporting these quotas, an ex-Marine recruiter boasts of his tactic for meeting these goals: "I routinely turned down long lines of qualified white males to save room for blacks. I denied whites interviews. I put their names on waiting lists. Every few months I threw stacks of their résumés into the trash."

    But what about the Army--the service most celebrated for its history of colorblindness? The Army implemented its affirmative-action policy in the mid-'70s, responding to rising resentment of white superiors among the black rank and file, which had resulted in race riots on bases. To diversify its officer corps, the Army began targeting scholarship money disproportionately to ROTC programs at historically black colleges and began heavily recruiting blacks for West Point. At least 7 percent of each West Point class must be black. That's an order.

    Quotas and Colin Powell - By Franklin Foer - Slate Magazine
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    In the 70s, under Carter there was concerted effort to promote blacks. Affirmative actions were taken to ensure that blacks who been in the military when the military was still racist had their records reviewed and expunged if there was evidence of racial bias. I think it was Carter's Sec'y of Defense who actually put a stop to some promotions to make sure that blacks received promotions. People who support affirmative action generally cite the military as a model. The problem is, as always, it costs money to take affirmative action, and quotas were a cheap solution that didn't work well.

    Blacks in the military up until the 1950s were blatantly and legally discriminated against. Check your military history if you don't believe me. That put them at a disadvantage after liberals pushed through anti-discrimination laws in the 1960s, and efforts were made to achieve greater fairness.

    The "interesting article" doesn't include any evidence to support the almost "gushing relief" about Obama by Harry Reid and Joe Biden. Cain won a majority of 2000 votes in Florida, after Perry imploded as too liberal (on immigration, for instance). Cain's victory shows there are some people among the Tea Party activists or the Republican Party who are not racist. No one ever said everyone is racist.

    A quick search, and here are some apologies from Republican officials for bigoted comments:

    Ala senator apologizes for calling blacks 'aborigines'; heard on corruption trial recordings - 9/27/2011 7:48:44 PM | Newser

    Your Black Politics: “Obama is a Monkey” Republican Apologizes « Black Politics for Black Americans

    Republican Rep. in Oklahoma apologizes for calling minorities lazy

    California GOP official apologizes for Obama chimpanzee e-mail - CNN

    Herman Cain Apologizes For Muslim Remarks | Bossip

    Republican W.Va. gubernatorial candidate gets in hot water over 'joke' - Herald-Mail

    Phrase suggesting black families stronger under slavery removed from Bachmann, Santorum pledge - New York Daily News

    TransGriot: Arkansas Republican Apologizes For Racist E-mail

    South Carolina GOP Operative Apologizes For Racist Tweet Against Obama | TPMDC

    Republican Mayoral Candidate: ‘Philly Already Had A Black Mayor’ | PhillyNow | A blog about Philadelphia news, politics and culture by Philadelphia Weekly

    'Great white hope:' GOP rep. apologizes: The Swamp

    Washington state senator apologizes for slur; many blacks want him to resign | Jet | Find Articles

    Two Republicans call Pres. Obama 'tar baby' and 'boy'

    TN GOP staffer apologizes for racist image of Obama. | ThinkProgress

    Pearl's Window: Republican apologizes after joking on Facebook that gorilla is related to Michelle Obama

    Rokita Apologizes To Black Lawmakers For Slave Remark - Politics News Story - WRTV Indianapolis

    Oklahoma GOP Racist Sally Kern Apologizes For Comment "Black People Don't Work As Hard"

    Collin Co. Republican Apologizes for Racist Email | NBC Dallas-Fort Worth

    http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/05/kurt_zellers_apology_bradlee_dean.php

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704164004575548690996826672.html

    http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/09/11163/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/28/u...-web-site-apologizes-for-anti-islam-link.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/12/mike-pompeo-gop-candidate_n_680612.html

    http://archive.chicagobreakingnews....r-apologizes-for-savage-religion-comment.html

    http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn-beck-apology-reformed-judaism-to-radical-islam-2011-2

    http://www.alan.com/2010/09/14/camp...onal-candidate-resigns-after-anti-gay-tweets/

    http://blog.latinovations.com/2011/...c-groups-but-still-facing-calls-to-step-down/
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    That's all you got;)
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    None of that has to do with the Tea Party, bottom line it isn't the 50's you need to get to the 21st century.


    If you don't recall the clean cut black man comments from Reid and Biden.....:rolleyes:

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