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What is the end result of capitalism?

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  1. mcgraw_wv

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    I've been pondering this for the last hour or so... What is the point, the grand scheme, the end goal of capitalism as a person existing within it?

    Is it to simply accumulate as much wealth as you can for yourself and family? Is that the end goal? And when is enough wealth enough?

    I'm not trying to say Capitalism is bad, but I do feel that we need to as a race of humans start to think that this planet, and it's people are more connected than just competitors trying to take our resources... we are more than that...

    Should we not try and help others to live happy as we do? I can't help but feel that capitalism's sole goal is to pit one another against each other in order to claim a resource, or wealth...

    What does constant compeition do for us as a people, a society in the long run? Why do we as individuals have to compete on an every day basis... Should we not as a society ever do anything to benefit everyone?

    When I boil down the end result of capitalism, I feel the end result is for everyone to act and live as if on an island, isolated from fellow man in an eternal struggle to gather resources in direct competition with your neighbor.

    That doesn't feel like the path to true happiness... Where are we going as a global society if Capitalism is our greatest attempt to bring freedom and liberty to the world... Will our legacy simply be that we installed greed and isolationism through out the country, where we look at everyone trying to compete for what we have, instead of looking at others as to what we can do together and what we can achieve together?

    Looking at our research and R&D facilities, and how that business works, we used to encourage universities to develop new things, now instead of sharing ideas, we horde them in order to turn a profit... which could be why we actually had major medical breakthroughs in the past like curing Polio, and other major diseases and now all we can do it put bandaids on the medical mysteries. Instead of sharing information, we have created silos of secretive business where there sole goal is to discover something they can make a profit from, not curing or eliminating disease.

    I do not think based on the teachings of the Bible, that the big J intended humanity to turn against one another in order to compete for every little scrap of resource available, nor did he intend for us to shun helping those in need and doing whatever it takes to shield yourself from society in your own attempt to aquire wealth...

    I'm confused to see what the end result, the end game, the impact that capitalism will have on humanity, and if it is a good thing. I look towards the future, and feel that a society that works in order to make life better for everyone is a better place than a society that does whatever it takes to horde wealth at the expense of everyone else...
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    If Obama is elected and you make more money, you 'share' more. Under obama's socialism, you will stay where you are at because you are busy spreading the wealth out every day.

    It's definitely not a way to encourage people to work harder.
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    What the @#%# does that have to do with anything I posted and asked?

    Anyways, that is such a false line of reasoning... It's so completely inaccurate as well...
    If I were to be taxed 5% more if I make over 250k, does not deter me from making more money, and sure as hell does not make me want to give up and stop trying to make more. It may slow down my accent to millionare status while speeding up people's accent out of poverty... and That is a good thing. If you are making 250k, as a HUMAN, you should want to help people eat, and live.

    And you my friend embody exactly what I think is wrong with our system... When did life come to this where we are supposed to loath and HATE people who need help? As a society we hate having to care for our parents, we hate having to live near people who can't afford a Hummer, or million dollar houses, we have to fence off our communities in order to keep out people who aren't rich...

    What happened to the American Tribe?

    There is not one other facet in our lives run liek capitalism is... only business trancations. In your house, you do not stop feeding kids who don't do their chores, you don't stop giving money to a wife that isn't pulling her weight... You don't tell neighbors who run into hard times to "Get a job and leave me alone", we volunteer our time and money locally, we help our neighbors in need, we care for strangers at work, we share the bar tab, and even sometimes pick up the tab when a friend is low on cash... There is not one piece of the human soul or heart that operates the way capitalism wants us to operate.
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    Personal freedom to make your own decisions on how to run your life.
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    Our system of compound interest banking, means that banks, and people who lend from banks, need to pay off more than they have borrowed. On a global scale this means more resources need to be consumed or poor countries/poor need to be taken advantage of, and it is a never-ending cycle.

    In a lot of ways it is similar to how a virus like HIV operates within the human body.
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    I completely agree that is a good thing... But I feel it has created the incentive to be selfish, and uncaring, unhelpful, and greedy, divisive, controlling, corrupt, etc...

    What good comes out of it? On an individual basis, we can choose to live in a helpful nature with the money we accumulate, I understand that... But we are also a product of our environments, and our society will not feel the need to choose to help those less fortunate, or help those in need, or be a member of something more than just your bank account.

    Before we are rich or poor, and before we are GOP or Liberal, and even before we are black, or white, we are Americans first. And I think the idea of capitalism has pitted everyone against everyone, and we no longer care about our fellow Americans. People in the mid west HATE new englanders, north eastern elites, despise dumb redneck mid westerners... Rich hate Poor people, poor people hate rich people... I can't believe this is what capitalism is supposed to do for our country.

    In the begining of America, it helped, it made people work hard, to get their own piece of land, to set themselves up, to produce things for a new country.

    Now, the idea that if you work hard you'll make it is gone. No matter how hard you work, unless you know someone, go to the right school, affliated with a political party, or something else, your just lucky enough to be middle class...

    To go from Middle Class to RICH, requires something more than Hard Work...

    I know, people have made it... I know... but it's far from the norm.
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    You ADMITED it that you would not GO up under Obama and It's a good thing?
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    Government programs do not take people out of poverty, indeed the bureaucrats have a vested interest in continuing poverty if there is no poverty they lose there jobs, since their bureaucracy has no more reason to exist, and we know that bureaucracies look after their institutional self interest ...
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    No I didn't, but you DID just admit you do not know how to read...
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    This would be perfect though, then the government can go back to doing what it was formed to do... Simply defend the borders of this country and uphold the laws that protect free men to do free business...
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    Sounds good to me.
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    Lets continue this with a few assumptions:
    1-you work harder than your neighbor, you will rise faster.
    2-everyone knows this so everyone is working harder.

    Now apply basic supply/demand rules and your question is answered. 50 years ago a college degree was far from a requirement for the middle-class. You look around now, and by comparison, everyone and their uncle has a degree. So the demand for that extra piece places a premium on top schools and top grads. It isn't so much that you need to know people, but who you finished above. Why would corporate America show you the benefit of the doubt compared to some kid just graduating top of his class from whatever high-priced big name school?

    While I tentatively agree that capitalism is flawed, it seems to show a great deal less inherent flaw than say, socialism. Well, whats the middle ground? We're living in it, the US these days is a far cry from true capitalism, and the government seems to get its hands muddled in more and more of our lives as time goes on. How do we fix these problems? A good start would be some monetary accountability within the government for one. We need to collaborate as a country on a new way to supply our own energy, preferably carbon free. Develop this and maybe we could flip the glaring import/export slide, and begin to strengthen things from within. Throwing money at problems because bipartisan solutions can't be agreed upon is only going to make things worse, and quite quickly. I'm 20 and can grasp the idea that borrowing money from China to buy oil from OPEC is not going to fly, why the hell can't these supposedly well educated blow-hards?
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    Yeah I discussed this on the Ron Paul forums and I got some great responses... Basically capitalism is not bad at all. It is the fastest route to freedom for the vast lot of the people. The problem I have with it, the greed, the corruption, is that Capitalism offers the freedom to be corrupt, and be greedy. But the main goal is that it offers the most available way for the most people to succeed, and that right there is the best system available today...

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