Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by RoughingthePasser, Jul 23, 2006.
As of right now-who's on the team and do we have room to get some more FA's?
As of right now, there is NO room..in fact as Mincey and Jackson are officially signed, one player will have to go. As the 3 others are signed, players will have to go as well...so a total of 4 will have to be cut.
If they sign anyone, a player also will have to be cut. Id this a problem if a Law or Patten is signed?? Absolutely not.
I just heard Mincey and Jackson are on board.....is there a list of current players anywhere?
As Pats726 says - the Pats are actually one over the offseason limit (80) right now:
92 total players
3 rookies unsigned = 89 players
8 NFLE exemptions = 81 players
Here's the roster as it stands:
QB - Brady
QB - Cassel
QB - Bramlet
QB - Mortensen (NFLE)
RB - Dillon
RB - Maroney
RB - Faulk
RB - Pass
RB - Evans
RB - Charles (NFLE)
RB - P. Cobbs
WR - Branch
WR - Caldwell
WR - Jackson
WR - Brown
WR - Childress
WR - Stone
WR - Z. Smith (NFLE)
WR - McGrew
WR - Musinski (NFLE)
WR - Davis
WR - Shelton
TE - Graham
TE - Watson
TE - Thomas
TE - Mills
EOL - Light
EOL - Kaczur
EOL - Gorin
EOL - O'Callaghan
EOL - Britt
EOL - Steitz (NFLE)
EOL - Doty (NFLE)
EOL - Hand
IOL - Koppen
IOL - Mankins
IOL - Neal
IOL - Hochstein
IOL - Mruczkowski
IOL - Tucker
IOL - Stevenson
IOL - Yates
IOL - Barthelmes
DE - Seymour
DE - Warren
DE - Green
DE - Hill
DE - Drame
NT - Wilfork
NT - Wright
NT - Sullivan
NT - L.K. Smith
NT - Thomas
OLB - Vrabel
OLB - Colvin
OLB - Banta-Cain
OLB - Mincey
OLB - Klecko
OLB - Woods
ILB - Bruschi
ILB - Beisel
ILB - Claridge
ILB - Izzo
ILB - Davis
ILB - Gardner
ILB - Alexander
ILB - Roach
ILB - Mays
CB - Samuel
CB - Hobbs
CB - Gay
CB - Warfield
CB - C. Scott
CB - Poteat
CB - Spann (NFLE)
CB - V. Brown
CB - G. Williams
S - Harrison
S - Wilson
S - T. Jones
S - Hawkins
S - Sanders
S - Mitchell
S - G. Scott
S - W. Andrews
S - Ventrone (NFLE)
S - Herring
K - Gostkowski
K - Gramatica
P - Miller
LS - Paxton
LS - Condo
That's great....thank you!
OK here is how it will shake out ( :scared: :eat1: :bricks: )
2 - QB - Brady, Cassell ( Bramlet, Mortensen)
3 - RB - Dillon, Faulk, Maroney ( Charles, Cobbs)
2 - FB - Pass, Mills ( Evans)
2 - C - Hochstein, Mruczkowski (PUP Koppen ) (Barthelmes )
4 - G - Neal, Mankins, O'Callaghan, Stevenson ( Steitz, Yates, Tucker )
3 - OT - Light, Kaczur, Britt (Gorin, Doty, Hand, )
5 - WR - Branch, Caldwell, Jackson, Brown, Childress)
( Stone, Musinski, McGrew, Z.Smith, E.Davis, Shelton)
3 - TE - Graham, Watson, Thomas
4 -DE - Seymour, Warren, Hill, Green, ( Drame)
3 -DT - Wilfork, Sullivan, Le Kevin Smith (Wright, Thomas )
9 - LB - Vrabel, Izzo, Colvin, Banta-Cain, Beisel, Bruschi, Davis, Mincey, Roach
( Woods, Claridge, Alexander, Gardner, Mays, Klecko)
4 - CB - Samuel, Hobbs, Gay, C.Scott,
(Spann, Poteat, Warfield, Williams, V.Brown )
6 - S - Wilson, Hawkins, Sanders, Jones, Mitchell, Andrews
(PUP: Harrison) ( Ventrone, G.Scott, , Herring )
Total - 26
1 - P - Miller
1 - K - Gostkowski (Gramatica )
1 - LS - Paxton ( Condo)
- Moved Mills to FB but could be liested as TE
- ONLY 2 QBs - to pick up extra roster slot - one of two in parens will go to PS
- Any of the LBs in Parens could beat out Roach
- only 4 CBs but Childress, Hawkins and T.Brown can play CB if needed I believe - therefore one of four is inactive on game day)
- 3 of the safties are really ST Aces -
(Jones or Mictchell may be cut if extra CB or QB is needed)
- Move O'Callaghan to Guard as that is where he was projected to play in NFL
- Gorin could beat out Britt
(Game Day Inactives: 1 LB , 1 DT, 1 DE, 1 S, 1 CB, 2 OL, 1 WR )
Now that this is settled no TC needed ... let the games begin
Ok, I'm retarded, but could any one explain what those abbriviations mean and what the positions do?
OK in real simple terms
RB - running back - carries the ball
FB - full back - blocks for RB sometime carries ball
WR - wide receiver - catches passes
TE - Tight End - bigger reciever and blocker - not as fast as a WR
C - center - snaps the ball to the QB
G - Guard - one on either side of C
OT - offensive Tackle - one on non C side of each Guard
(OL - offensive line - OT G C G OT or LT LG C RG RT
where LT = Left Tackle and RT = Right Tackle )
QB - Quarter back - passes or hands off the ball
Defense Line - players directly in front of opposing teams Offense Line
DT - Defensive tackle - guy in middle of Defense line - stop run/get to QB/RB
(with PATs only one DT on Defensive Line (DLine) other teams use 2)
DE - Defensive End - On out side of Defense line - stop run/get to QB/RB
LB - Line Backer - backup Dline - stop run and short passes get to QB/RB
- not as big as Dline guys
S - Saftey - stop run support - stop short inside/passes - back up CBs
- usally bigger than CBs but not as fast.
CB - Corner Back - stops any pass - fastest defensive guys so can cover deep passes well - does some stop run support.
Hope that helps a little.
Yeah, it really helps! Thanks for putting up with me!
Here is a lot better explanation of the basic position:
I believe that the Patriots lost an NFLE exemption when they cut Jeff Roehl who was one of the NFLE exemptions.
However, it is possible for the Patriots to have received 'bonus' NFLE exemptions depending on the playing time of those players in the NFLE. They may actually have a couple of those for a total of 10 originally - I believe 10 is the max for NFLE type exemptions.
If that were the case, it's possible that the Patriots could have a roster limit of 89 and would not be over the limit with the signing of Jackson and Mincey since there are three rookies as yet unsigned. (80 + 8 NFLE exemptions - 1 Roehl cut + 2 bonus NFLE = 89 ??)
Does anybody have a really good reference to the full formulas for exemptions ?
Thinking about that secondary w/o Rodney on the field gives me chills.
The best explanation comes from the "Ask Vic" portion of the Jaguars website.
Fred from Portland, OR: Why are the Jaguars allowed 90 players on their roster. You mentioned that the limit is 80 players and I only know of five players with NFL Europe exemptions, so why are an additional five players exempt?
Vic: OK, let's start with four Jaguars who played in NFL Europe: Konrad Dean, Marques Ogden, Jimmy McClain and Kenny Jackson. They are all on the Jaguars training camp roster and practicing as exempted players. The Jaguars were granted two more NFL Europe exemptions because of the type of players they allocated to Europe: Players who were on the Jaguars' roster last season. Those two exemptions are termed rookie/first-year player exemptions, which means you can place two players on your training camp roster who are either rookies or first-year players. Most teams assign those exemptions to first-year players they know they won't cut, which allows the team to maintain the flexibility of that type of exemption for the duration of the preseason. The Jaguars have assigned the rookie/first-year player exemptions to Byron Leftwich and Rashean Mathis. They probably won't be cut this summer. OK, that's six exemptions, which takes us to 86 on the roster. Chris Brown and Akeem Akbar are two other NFL Europe players who are on the Jaguars roster, though they are not practicing because they were assigned to the Europe â€śinjuredâ€ť list and have yet to be declared healthy. That makes 88, right? Then there are Matt Leonard and Deon Humphrey, who were placed on the reserve/injured list just before the start of training camp. The maximum number of NFL Europe exemptions allowed is 10, plus one for an NFL Europe League â€śnational,â€ť which is a player other than a U.S. citizen who played in NFL Europe. Is that more than you ever wanted to know about NFL Europe? It's more than I wanna know.
According to Ourlads.com (which does list the Bonus Exemptions), the Pats don't have any.
(They forgot to highlight Zuriel Smith for his exemption, but calling up his player page does show he has one.)
Miguel - Thanks for info !! Being a fan of Vic's, I had that squirrelled away. But I was not clear at all about 'rookie/first-year' category or NFLE bonus exemption based on 'type of player' allocated to NFLE. In other info I have seen it is mentioned that NFLE bonus exemptions are granted based on player downs or performance and I didn't see anything like that mentioned in Vic's article. He doesn't go into whether an exemption is tied to the NFLE player and disappears if and when the player is cut rather than just being a 'general' roster slot. There doesn't seem to be much interest on the part of the NFL or other sites in providing some detailed insight into how it all works.
Pats1 - Thanks for the reference to ourlads site !! Guess I don't get it, tho. How do you tell about NFLE exemptions ?
They're highlighted (although it depends on your browser - Firefox has them just bold while IE has a green highlight).
The players in bold/green are NFLE exemptions, while the players in red are unsigned rookies (page is updated with every new transaction, but not until the next day).
What I'm saying with Zuriel Smith is that they forgot to give him a green/bolg highlight, but if you click on his name, his bio will show that he has the exemption.
Thanks Pats1 !! But I'm still in the dark as to how the ourlads depth chart would show NFLE bonus exemptions in addition to the specific exemption for the player ? Did you notice another team that had such a bonus exemption listed in some fashion ?
Yes, they are listed in the same fashion (bold/green), but when you go into the players' bio it's listed as bonus.
The Colts, for example, have last years' first round pick, CB Marlin Jackson, as their lone bonus exemption:
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