What is our current roster?

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  1. RoughingthePasser

    RoughingthePasser Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    As of right now-who's on the team and do we have room to get some more FA's?
  2. Pats726

    Pats726 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    As of right now, there is NO room..in fact as Mincey and Jackson are officially signed, one player will have to go. As the 3 others are signed, players will have to go as well...so a total of 4 will have to be cut.
    If they sign anyone, a player also will have to be cut. Id this a problem if a Law or Patten is signed?? Absolutely not.
  3. RoughingthePasser

    RoughingthePasser Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I just heard Mincey and Jackson are on board.....is there a list of current players anywhere?
  4. pats1

    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

    As Pats726 says - the Pats are actually one over the offseason limit (80) right now:

    92 total players

    3 rookies unsigned = 89 players

    8 NFLE exemptions = 81 players

    Here's the roster as it stands:

    QB - Brady
    QB - Cassel
    QB - Bramlet
    QB - Mortensen (NFLE)

    RB - Dillon
    RB - Maroney
    RB - Faulk
    RB - Pass
    RB - Evans
    RB - Charles (NFLE)
    RB - P. Cobbs

    WR - Branch
    WR - Caldwell
    WR - Jackson
    WR - Brown
    WR - Childress
    WR - Stone
    WR - Z. Smith (NFLE)
    WR - McGrew
    WR - Musinski (NFLE)
    WR - Davis
    WR - Shelton

    TE - Graham
    TE - Watson
    TE - Thomas
    TE - Mills

    EOL - Light
    EOL - Kaczur
    EOL - Gorin
    EOL - O'Callaghan
    EOL - Britt
    EOL - Steitz (NFLE)
    EOL - Doty (NFLE)
    EOL - Hand

    IOL - Koppen
    IOL - Mankins
    IOL - Neal
    IOL - Hochstein
    IOL - Mruczkowski
    IOL - Tucker
    IOL - Stevenson
    IOL - Yates
    IOL - Barthelmes

    DE - Seymour
    DE - Warren
    DE - Green
    DE - Hill
    DE - Drame

    NT - Wilfork
    NT - Wright
    NT - Sullivan
    NT - L.K. Smith
    NT - Thomas

    OLB - Vrabel
    OLB - Colvin
    OLB - Banta-Cain
    OLB - Mincey
    OLB - Klecko
    OLB - Woods

    ILB - Bruschi
    ILB - Beisel
    ILB - Claridge
    ILB - Izzo
    ILB - Davis
    ILB - Gardner
    ILB - Alexander
    ILB - Roach
    ILB - Mays

    CB - Samuel
    CB - Hobbs
    CB - Gay
    CB - Warfield
    CB - C. Scott
    CB - Poteat
    CB - Spann (NFLE)
    CB - V. Brown
    CB - G. Williams

    S - Harrison
    S - Wilson
    S - T. Jones
    S - Hawkins
    S - Sanders
    S - Mitchell
    S - G. Scott
    S - W. Andrews
    S - Ventrone (NFLE)
    S - Herring

    K - Gostkowski
    K - Gramatica
    P - Miller
    LS - Paxton
    LS - Condo
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2006
  5. RoughingthePasser

    RoughingthePasser Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    That's great....thank you!
  6. Miguel

    Miguel Patriots Salary Cap Guru PatsFans.com Supporter

    #75 Jersey

  7. JR4

    JR4 In the Starting Line-up PatsFans.com Supporter

    OK here is how it will shake out ( :scared: :eat1: :bricks: )

    2 - QB - Brady, Cassell ( Bramlet, Mortensen)
    3 - RB - Dillon, Faulk, Maroney ( Charles, Cobbs)
    2 - FB - Pass, Mills ( Evans)
    2 - C - Hochstein, Mruczkowski (PUP Koppen ) (Barthelmes )
    4 - G - Neal, Mankins, O'Callaghan, Stevenson ( Steitz, Yates, Tucker )
    3 - OT - Light, Kaczur, Britt (Gorin, Doty, Hand, )
    5 - WR - Branch, Caldwell, Jackson, Brown, Childress)
    ( Stone, Musinski, McGrew, Z.Smith, E.Davis, Shelton)
    3 - TE - Graham, Watson, Thomas

    4 -DE - Seymour, Warren, Hill, Green, ( Drame)
    3 -DT - Wilfork, Sullivan, Le Kevin Smith (Wright, Thomas )
    9 - LB - Vrabel, Izzo, Colvin, Banta-Cain, Beisel, Bruschi, Davis, Mincey, Roach
    ( Woods, Claridge, Alexander, Gardner, Mays, Klecko)
    4 - CB - Samuel, Hobbs, Gay, C.Scott,
    (Spann, Poteat, Warfield, Williams, V.Brown )
    6 - S - Wilson, Hawkins, Sanders, Jones, Mitchell, Andrews
    (PUP: Harrison) ( Ventrone, G.Scott, , Herring )
    Total - 26

    1 - P - Miller
    1 - K - Gostkowski (Gramatica )
    1 - LS - Paxton ( Condo)

    - Moved Mills to FB but could be liested as TE
    - ONLY 2 QBs - to pick up extra roster slot - one of two in parens will go to PS
    - Any of the LBs in Parens could beat out Roach
    - only 4 CBs but Childress, Hawkins and T.Brown can play CB if needed I believe - therefore one of four is inactive on game day)
    - 3 of the safties are really ST Aces -
    (Jones or Mictchell may be cut if extra CB or QB is needed)
    - Move O'Callaghan to Guard as that is where he was projected to play in NFL
    - Gorin could beat out Britt

    (Game Day Inactives: 1 LB , 1 DT, 1 DE, 1 S, 1 CB, 2 OL, 1 WR )

    Now that this is settled no TC needed ... let the games begin :)
  8. horryfor3

    horryfor3 Rookie

    Ok, I'm retarded, but could any one explain what those abbriviations mean and what the positions do?
  9. JR4

    JR4 In the Starting Line-up PatsFans.com Supporter

    OK in real simple terms

    RB - running back - carries the ball
    FB - full back - blocks for RB sometime carries ball
    WR - wide receiver - catches passes
    TE - Tight End - bigger reciever and blocker - not as fast as a WR
    C - center - snaps the ball to the QB
    G - Guard - one on either side of C
    OT - offensive Tackle - one on non C side of each Guard
    (OL - offensive line - OT G C G OT or LT LG C RG RT
    where LT = Left Tackle and RT = Right Tackle )
    QB - Quarter back - passes or hands off the ball

    Defense Line - players directly in front of opposing teams Offense Line
    DT - Defensive tackle - guy in middle of Defense line - stop run/get to QB/RB
    (with PATs only one DT on Defensive Line (DLine) other teams use 2)
    DE - Defensive End - On out side of Defense line - stop run/get to QB/RB
    LB - Line Backer - backup Dline - stop run and short passes get to QB/RB
    - not as big as Dline guys
    S - Saftey - stop run support - stop short inside/passes - back up CBs
    - usally bigger than CBs but not as fast.
    CB - Corner Back - stops any pass - fastest defensive guys so can cover deep passes well - does some stop run support.

    Hope that helps a little.
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2006
  10. horryfor3

    horryfor3 Rookie

    Yeah, it really helps! Thanks for putting up with me! ;)
  11. JR4

    JR4 In the Starting Line-up PatsFans.com Supporter

  12. arrellbee

    arrellbee Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I believe that the Patriots lost an NFLE exemption when they cut Jeff Roehl who was one of the NFLE exemptions.

    However, it is possible for the Patriots to have received 'bonus' NFLE exemptions depending on the playing time of those players in the NFLE. They may actually have a couple of those for a total of 10 originally - I believe 10 is the max for NFLE type exemptions.

    If that were the case, it's possible that the Patriots could have a roster limit of 89 and would not be over the limit with the signing of Jackson and Mincey since there are three rookies as yet unsigned. (80 + 8 NFLE exemptions - 1 Roehl cut + 2 bonus NFLE = 89 ??)

    Does anybody have a really good reference to the full formulas for exemptions ?
  13. SoonerPatriot

    SoonerPatriot In the Starting Line-Up

    Thinking about that secondary w/o Rodney on the field gives me chills.
  14. Miguel

    Miguel Patriots Salary Cap Guru PatsFans.com Supporter

    #75 Jersey

    The best explanation comes from the "Ask Vic" portion of the Jaguars website.
    Fred from Portland, OR: Why are the Jaguars allowed 90 players on their roster. You mentioned that the limit is 80 players and I only know of five players with NFL Europe exemptions, so why are an additional five players exempt?
    Vic: OK, let's start with four Jaguars who played in NFL Europe: Konrad Dean, Marques Ogden, Jimmy McClain and Kenny Jackson. They are all on the Jaguars training camp roster and practicing as exempted players. The Jaguars were granted two more NFL Europe exemptions because of the type of players they allocated to Europe: Players who were on the Jaguars' roster last season. Those two exemptions are termed rookie/first-year player exemptions, which means you can place two players on your training camp roster who are either rookies or first-year players. Most teams assign those exemptions to first-year players they know they won't cut, which allows the team to maintain the flexibility of that type of exemption for the duration of the preseason. The Jaguars have assigned the rookie/first-year player exemptions to Byron Leftwich and Rashean Mathis. They probably won't be cut this summer. OK, that's six exemptions, which takes us to 86 on the roster. Chris Brown and Akeem Akbar are two other NFL Europe players who are on the Jaguars roster, though they are not practicing because they were assigned to the Europe “injured” list and have yet to be declared healthy. That makes 88, right? Then there are Matt Leonard and Deon Humphrey, who were placed on the reserve/injured list just before the start of training camp. The maximum number of NFL Europe exemptions allowed is 10, plus one for an NFL Europe League “national,” which is a player other than a U.S. citizen who played in NFL Europe. Is that more than you ever wanted to know about NFL Europe? It's more than I wanna know.
  15. pats1

    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

    According to Ourlads.com (which does list the Bonus Exemptions), the Pats don't have any.

    (They forgot to highlight Zuriel Smith for his exemption, but calling up his player page does show he has one.)

    Last edited: Jul 24, 2006
  16. arrellbee

    arrellbee Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Miguel - Thanks for info !! Being a fan of Vic's, I had that squirrelled away. But I was not clear at all about 'rookie/first-year' category or NFLE bonus exemption based on 'type of player' allocated to NFLE. In other info I have seen it is mentioned that NFLE bonus exemptions are granted based on player downs or performance and I didn't see anything like that mentioned in Vic's article. He doesn't go into whether an exemption is tied to the NFLE player and disappears if and when the player is cut rather than just being a 'general' roster slot. There doesn't seem to be much interest on the part of the NFL or other sites in providing some detailed insight into how it all works.

    Pats1 - Thanks for the reference to ourlads site !! Guess I don't get it, tho. How do you tell about NFLE exemptions ?
  17. pats1

    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

    They're highlighted (although it depends on your browser - Firefox has them just bold while IE has a green highlight).


    The players in bold/green are NFLE exemptions, while the players in red are unsigned rookies (page is updated with every new transaction, but not until the next day).

    What I'm saying with Zuriel Smith is that they forgot to give him a green/bolg highlight, but if you click on his name, his bio will show that he has the exemption.
  18. arrellbee

    arrellbee Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Thanks Pats1 !! But I'm still in the dark as to how the ourlads depth chart would show NFLE bonus exemptions in addition to the specific exemption for the player ? Did you notice another team that had such a bonus exemption listed in some fashion ?
  19. pats1

    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

    Yes, they are listed in the same fashion (bold/green), but when you go into the players' bio it's listed as bonus.

    The Colts, for example, have last years' first round pick, CB Marlin Jackson, as their lone bonus exemption:

  20. pats1

    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

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