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    There's just something about the guy that rubs me the wrong way. During the preseason I was on board with the "he has a good motor" and he might be a good LB for the team. But then his play seemed to get worse not better and he threw the secondary under the bus. He had the run in with Curran (which isn't bad) but also was an ass to Stacey James in front of everyone. Today I read how he had a calf injury too and missed four or five weeks. He does say that everyones different and "Some guys will be able to recover within a week or two. It’s like any muscle pull, it’s the degree of the injury. Mine was really bad.â€

    I know I'm reading too much into everything and he was probably asked specific questions about his injury but he seems to always be focused on himself instead of the team. Like I said there is something about the guy that bothers me. He just doesn't seem to fit in, but then he's replacing the ultimate Patriot.


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    Same here. I can't pinpoint it, but it certainly escalated after the Curran incident. I'm semi-surprised he wasn't released after that (a la Kenyatta Jones in 2003 for the water incident), but I'm sure he's on a super-short leash now.

    He's just non-Patriot like. Also seems like a huge ass whiner.
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    I'm sure if he performs well on the field you will get over it...............
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    Exactly. What happened to Monty is that he isn't Tedy.
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    Call me a contrarian, but I sort of like him. I think the physical skills are there. It's a process from DE to LB, and he doesn't have a lot of playing time yet at LB. If we're at the same point mid next year, then I'll probably change my mind. But for right now, I'm happy we have him.
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    That's part of it. But he honestly just seems to have a loose yap that he doesn't mind running about things that most guys in the locker room wouldn't talk about. That's the most anti-pat thing about him to me.

    Ted Johnson has talked freely about things since his retirement that he'd NEVER have broached when he was actually in the locker room. Monte needs to learn where that line is in the sand and not cross it.
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    It's way too early to give up on him. Saw him yesterday and he seemed to humbled by his experience here so far. I think that he has the smarts to learn.

    Let's see how much improvement there has been when he plays against the Flippers.

    Besides, have you seen his wife?
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    I agree that it's way too early to give up on him. The only thing offensive about his comments yesterday is our sensitivity after his comments earlier this year.

    As far as his play, he was never supposed to start this year. It would have been TJ and Chad Brown at ILB. You don't bring in an older guy like Chad Brown and pay him big money to ride the pine. TJ retired and it's Chad Brown who should be generating the disappointment, but he's not on the field long enough for us to remember him.
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    beisel humbled?

    IMHO, this should have been the season for him to keep his mouth shut and try to learn the position.
    his play irks me too. my perception is that he's the last guy in on a tackle, the last one in on a pile-up. the one who could have just pulled up but gets in there after the play is over.
    i can't find a pic of beisel's wife right now but i saw one months ago. as i recall she is a looker, beauty-pageant pretty, but not somebody who makes you stammer and sweat.
    can't give up on him, gotta give him another season. i just wish he'd shut up.
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    He seems to lack that killer instinct that our ilb's have. Tedy, Ted, Vrabel are the nicest guys in the world with humble personalities, but as soon as you get these guys onto the feild it's as if they turn into monsters who wanna rip a limb off. Monty doesnt seem to have that type on energy yet. It could be because of a lack of confidence and knowledge in this new system. Like many have said, the skills seem to be there so he needs time. Remember that Tedy was a small DE that made the ilb switch. It took his some time as well. This is the same situation for Monty.
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    What rubs me the wrong way is his play. Earlier this year, everytime a RB cam near him, he played like a scared *****, to giddy to just pursue the ball carrier. I reall could care less what kinda guy he is. As long as he plays well, I'm fine. And that we can see his wife..:)
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    From the article above:

    'Belichick didn’t exactly give Beisel an overwhelming thumbs up yesterday when assessing how the linebacker did after coming in late in the first quarter for Bruschi during Monday night’s 31-21 win.

    “I thought Monty did some good things. There were some things he could have done better,†Belichick said. “He did a solid job.†'

    Ms Guregian, if you report on the Pats, you should know that this is BB's default reply to any question about individual players -- it's news if he says something else.
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    Lmao..My thoughts exactly. He rarely, if ever, gives a young player much credit. Oh well, reporters never learn.
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    Monty's ok in my book. Did a decent job considering he's new to the system and somewhat new to ILB.
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    Thank you!

    When it comes to Monty, I don't care if he gets run over all day - he gets the "wife bye"...

    Mrs. Beisel:

    http://www.misskansasusa.com/formers/carraway _04.jpg

    With Monty tapping that $h!t every night, no wonder he can't learn the defense!

    She's a smokin' young thing now and you can clearly see she is gonna morph into a fine MILF, as well...

    She may even realize the ultra-rare "GILF" status!

    Plus, he took on Tom Curran, aka "Mr. Negativity-in-Training, I am the self-appointed acerbic second coming of Will McDonough and Kevin Mannix"...

    Monty basically told Curran to shut his negative, pessimistic New England pie-hole, which I wish every athlete around here would do...

    If you believe Kevin Millar, WEEI broke up the Red Sox, fahchrissakes!

    http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/05/snstory.pl?-sec-Sports 1k589g0 fn-millarsn.1229-20051229-

    ADPF
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    And it seems he plays considerably better at ILB when there's someone in there to call the plays for him. Looks almost like a different player when he's next to Vrabel compared to when he's teamed with Chad Brown.
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    i am not ready to give up on him--but i keep seeing him get pushed off the ball and tackle RBs after a 4-5 yd gain (i witnessed his debacle trying to tackle LT first hand). he's a big guy--he should be attacking the ball carrier. to me he looks passive for an ILB. it will be interesting to see how Claridge plays in the pre-season. IMHO, he could be Monty's competition in 06.
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    he's not that kind of player

    savage players, bruschi, johnson, that MLB in miami, Ray Lewis, those 2 LB in Pittsburgh, vilma of NYJ, are hard to find. i mean, you can see it when you look at video on them, but they're rare.
    guys like roman phifer, strahan, vrabel & seymour knock the $h!t out of you if they have to, but what they want is the ballcarrier, not the blocker. they are relentless, they don't wear down in games. savage players, like lofa tatupu, mosi's son, seem to disrupt everything around them, they cut a swath when they move to the ball. bruschi has it. rodney. colvin.
    beisel is not that kind of player. he doesn't seem to scare anyone, offenses will run at him, past him, etc. bruschi, as i recall, took 3-4 seasons to figure out ILB. but bruschi was 23 when he started learning. beisel is starting at age 28.
    i dunno. obviously BB/SP think he's good material. and the same for klecko. just goes to snow i know jack-$sh!t about football.
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    Very true....
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    re:

    Beisel has no strength whatsoever. Some people hinted at this by saying he has no killer instinct or toughness or aggressiveness or whatever. The fact is he can't shed blockers at all. Put a body on him, any body, and he is taken out of the play.

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    “I couldn’t even walk for two or three days. I was on crutches,†he said. “Some guys will be able to recover within a week or two. It’s like any muscle pull, it’s the degree of the injury. Mine was really bad.â€

    Some players privately expressed the fear Bruschi had also torn his calf muscle, although that has yet to be confirmed. Unlike Beisel, Bruschi has been walking without crutches. After the game, the linebacker walked to the bus, limping en route, carrying a bag and some packages and didn’t appear to be in a great deal of pain."


    Beisel was raised in the NFL by Dick Vermeil. An often tearfully emotional coach who can seldom help himself when it comes to providing the kind of thought process details the media craves. Look at how upset he was when Biesel jumped ship after all the effort they put in to converting him. I'm sure that fed Monty's ego, which his stint here has now badly bruised. It's a safe bet he was the player on the sidelines speculating about Tedy's injury. There are some new media faces in Foxboro, like Tomasi who was a former Sox beat reporter, who are looking for sources - and a disappointing player still looking for some sympathetic media to talk to.

    I'm not sure Monty will be here next season, and I don't think Monty's sure either - nor do I think he necessarily cares. He'll probably get another TC to prove himself unless he indicates he'd rather not. He has some skills, but his capacity to be useful in this setting and willingness to quietly assume responsibility for his own success/failure is certainly debatable.

    The basics of being a Patriot seem to still elude Monty (shut up and just do your job). Pioli has talked a lot this year about how our gene pool is more limited than most teams because not only talent and character count, but temeperment and attitude. Not everyone can be a Patriot. You have to be self motivated, thick-skinned and relatively stoic in both victory and defeat. And you never comment or speculate on injuries, yours or anyone elses. Monty continues to struggle with more than just the scheme.
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    Whoa...I think most of you need to back off this guy and give him another chance. It's obvious he didn't know about how Patriots conduct themselves when he 1st got here and he's trying to learn a new very complex defense. He will learn and adapt or he will be out. He could also be a home run for us next year, let's not jump the gun.
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    bingo

    IMHO you put a finger right on it.
    probably asking too much of him to call plays in his 1st year anyway. vrabel should have been doing it all along.
    but his tackling...
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    He came from KC, one of the worst tackling teams I've ever seen. Did you see them in the Giants game?

    He's had a few weeks to work on some things and his tackling should be one of those. As I recall though he did make some text book tackles this year. Just not enough of them.

    Did I mention his wife?
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    If you believe Kevin Millar, he was the reason they finally won a WS.....

    You can look a pictures of Monty's wife just as easily if he's playing elsewhere next season, if that kind of thing really matters that much to you. I personally don't care about anything but whether or not the player himself can perform in this system.

    Beisel was brought in to do a job. As was Brown. Granted that job got a little harder when TJ retired just as TC opened, and harder yet after Rodney went down and Richard got hurt. But Beisel and Brown seemed to struggle with the system from the get go, and Beisel has continued to struggle with the concept. Both are obviously ill suited to perform as intended. That's why barring injury or a blowout they now only appear on ST. Beisel is young enough that he may yet find a niche, but if he can't even grasp the overall tenor of this franshise, personal accountability and a need to know mentality where the media is concerned (which in BB's estimation is non-existent), I don't hold out a ton of hope.
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    I've gone on record saying this before and I'll say it again. Beisel is not the answer at ILB for us. He lacks functional football strength and he has no instincts whatsoever. He can not read a play. There were two plays in particular last week were the Jets got 5 yards on the carry instead of two, because he did not diagnose and get to the gap quickly enough. Maybe he's overwhelmed by the complexity of the system. Or maybe he's just tentative by nature. Whatever the reason, if he does not clean up effectively and effiecently on running plays, it will affect how the front 3 play. They are busting it to set him up for a tackle near the LOS and he doesn't do it. How long til they lose faith in him and start to freelance. This guy is a chemistry killer and defense divider.
    Of course Chad Brown is even worse, but at least he has admitted he can't figure it out. I can live with that (as long as BB keeps him on ST and off the field.). Beisel however continues to run the mouth and fails to back it up.
    Unless the light goes on and Beisel goes balls to the ball, he'll need a new address next year.

    PS: Brooks only played in two games for Virginia this year (sist on his knee or something), maybe he falls to #32, so we can pick him up.
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    Can't argue with that assessment ,Ochmed...he started slowly and still shows a lack of understanding of the D calls
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    I know what your saying, but Tedy isn't a huge, strong guy either and he gets it done. No insult to Tedy, but he is a small ILB compared to the rest of the league. I don't think Monty's problem is strength. I am not sure what it is.
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    I give him a first year pass:

    He's a DE who played STs for KC. They were forced to use him at MLB due to injuries. They had him playing at 238 to take advantage of his speed. NEP ILBs are expected to be brick walls in the middle, not gazelles. Tedy has 10 pounds on this kid, Vrabel 23. He carried more weight at Kansas State so Woicik should be able to improve his strength/weight in the off-season. Where he needs work the most is read/react time, Vrabel was two steps slower in read/react back in the middle of the season, I'm not ready to annoint Monty as the equal of Vrabel or Bruschi, we'll see what Monty does as he learns how to read the offense. People criticize his ability to fight off a block, the skill set he learned in college had him charging upfield as a DE, here he has to hold his position and fight through the block, very different. There was a news piece on Colvin talking about how Bruschi and Vrabel tease him because he can't "butch" a RB to disrupt his pass pattern. Colvin was a converted DE too, he's had a number of years to learn OLB and he still has weak spots in his game - give the coaches/veterans time. Mike Reiss and Chris Price didn't think the Curran incident was a big deal, but too many of the people on the forum turned it into a TO mess. Bottom line, the kid is still BB's 1st choice for third man at ILB, and we know Chatham, Izzo, and Davis are available and bring a variety of talents to that position that have helped us all over the field - In BB I Trust.
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    #1. He seems to think he's better than he is (at least when it comes to the Patriots system) and

    #2. He's prone to blaming his teammates when things go wrong, rather than selflessly sucking it up and showing some humility to show humility and accept responsiblity for his own lapses

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