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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Anyone arguing about the phone is forgetting what this whole thing was about. Air pressure. There is enough scientific evidence now that would suggest nothing happened at all. And logically who in their right mind would risk prison to lie under oath about air pressure. Who in their sane mind would Take this to the Supreme Court. This is not like stealing a loaf of bread, legally taking air out of the ball is like passing gas. The only person who would fight for years about not letting air out of footballs would be someone that never did let air of out the balls.
it's not about air pressure either..........
I think it's Goody's discretion to decide which cases he can serve as arbitrator and which ones he can pimp outSo what part of the CBA stipulates which issues are turned over to independent arbitration and which ones are not?
So what part of the CBA stipulates which issues are turned over to independent arbitration and which ones are not?
Yup! This whole mess should've ended a week after the Superbowl with a statement and/or maybe a fine for some stupid reason. The fact that it has reached this point is mind-boggling and I for one now hope it reaches the Supreme Court because I believe it would look a whole lot worse for Goodell and the NFL in the court of public opinion.... Yeah, it has spiraled out of control. If we had a commissioner that had a logical mind maybe it would not have.
Isn't it important that the evidence supports no inflation of the footballs making the phone moot?
There is no murder conviction when the corpse is walking around uninjured.
Its not a stretch. Wells said it. He is on record as saying it.
You are correct in the respect that Wells did ask to look at TB12's phone and was denied the request. In the absence of the phone he stated that TB12 answered every question with sincerity and honesty. He had McNally and Jaz's texts so he was "satisfied". To your point we don't know what constitutes "satisfied" but he said it. Thats it.
Now, if someone told TB12 that he would have been in big F-ing trouble w/o turning over his phone at that juncture and in March and Wells says that TB12 was completely uncooperative, then that is different than "satisfied" and "cooperative"
I really don't want to argue this anymore. 15 months is enough.
Isn't it important that the evidence supports no inflation of the footballs making the phone moot?
There is no murder conviction when the corpse is walking around uninjured.
Its not a stretch. Wells said it. He is on record as saying it.
You are correct in the respect that Wells did ask to look at TB12's phone and was denied the request. In the absence of the phone he stated that TB12 answered every question with sincerity and honesty. He had McNally and Jaz's texts so he was "satisfied". To your point we don't know what constitutes "satisfied" but he said it. Thats it.
Now, if someone told TB12 that he would have been in big F-ing trouble w/o turning over his phone at that juncture and in March and Wells says that TB12 was completely uncooperative, then that is different than "satisfied" and "cooperative"
I really don't want to argue this anymore. 15 months is enough.
the PED cases go to a neutral arbitraor
Isn't it important that the evidence supports no inflation of the footballs making the phone moot?
There is no murder conviction when the corpse is walking around uninjured.
Its not a stretch. Wells said it. He is on record as saying it.
You are correct in the respect that Wells did ask to look at TB12's phone and was denied the request. In the absence of the phone he stated that TB12 answered every question with sincerity and honesty. He had McNally and Jaz's texts so he was "satisfied". To your point we don't know what constitutes "satisfied" but he said it. Thats it.
Now, if someone told TB12 that he would have been in big F-ing trouble w/o turning over his phone at that juncture and in March and Wells says that TB12 was completely uncooperative, then that is different than "satisfied" and "cooperative"
I really don't want to argue this anymore. 15 months is enough.
The Exponent report no more exonerates Brady than it convicts him
the Exponent report does nothing since it is inaccurate/incorrect
99% agree. One thing it does is compare experimental results with the halftime measurements and finds the Colt balls in line with the experiment and the Pats balls out of whack. That experiment can be questioned, but I have yet to see an experiment done that produces data similar to the Measurements of the Pats' balls. You would think the Patriots coould afford to commission such a study. At any rate, the idea that the Exponent Report indicates or proves that no deflation occurred is false.
The Exponent report no more exonerates Brady than it convicts him.
You are arguing the notice issue. That is a legal question on which I dont have strong views. I only wanted to clear up the facts. Namely, The purported basis for the suspension was failure to provide data from the phone, not failure to provide the phone itself.
I thought several colts balls were also too low
and as reports such as the Exponent report fly, either they're 100% right or they're wrong
I think your perspective is different that others. Some will say that Exponent manipulated the test environment, the instrumentation used so that the findings reinforced the NFL's narrative.
OK our argument has a nuance to it. There was never a formal notice issued for the phone or the digital contents. All Wells did was ***** that TB12 never gave him a look at the phone. That is not a formal notice.
During the investigative phase, there wasn't a formalized legal or CBA notice in which the NFL had cited as enforcing the ask for the phone or it's contents. Its plausible to assume that Wells knew he did not have either legal grounds and/or stipulation in the CBA in which would entitle the NFL to the contents of the phone so he stayed clear of it. I speculate that Pash said that the NFL would fight that war- which clearly they won.
Going back to my original statement, it was never a notice issue. It was an issue with the "independent" investigation saying it was satisfied and Brady was cooperative.
Its still baffling to me how Chin could hold that against Brady when there were no legal or CBA-related stipulations. Nowhere in the CBA does it say the player must provide their private property to the NFL during an investigation.
Understand that Wells' satisfaction, whatever that means, is irrelevant. Goodell as Art 46 arbitrator made the call that failure to provide thise texts was punishable non-cooperation. I think we agree that that this was a weak basis for a suspension.
As for the science, i find the exponent report to be of little evidentiary value. Wells thought the same. Why it is that the same people that once went on and on about its obvious flaws now say it is conclusive evidence of Bradys innocence is beyond me.