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  1. sdaniels7114

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    He's highly experienced, having been Guv of Utah and ambassador to China, he's never said Uzbeki...stan, he's not a moron like Bachman, he doesn't have a horribly oversized head like Gingrinch, no n-head's in his past, he's not an azzhole like Santorum and he's flip flopped roughly 9000 fewer times than Romney has. He also has three funny and good looking daughters and drives a Harley. Still he's pulling at best about 1% of the vote.

    WTF?
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    He is a RINO and won't fundamentally change the course the country is on.

    Why vote for a dem lite when you can have the real socialist thing.....
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    I like Huntsman and have stated that many times in other threads. He is way to sane and qualified to be the GOP candidate for President in this election cycle. That is a sad state of affairs.
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    To me he's Romney without all the flip flopping and without MA's UHC law to hide from. That discounts Romney's business experience, but I'm not sure how much weight that carries. I just can't fathom why Santorum, for example, is cleaning his clock.
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    he is BY FAR the most lucid and sane of the group, insuring him that he will not get the nomination.

    too bad, he might've gotten my vote.
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    The GOP doesn't like Huntsman.......A rational person doesn't do well with GOP voters.

    patsfan13 summed it up when he called him a RINO.
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    except that the term "RINO" is meaningless, since being a "Republican" is basically meaningless.

    The only things the GOP has stood for for the past couple decades, at least, are lower taxes and higher spending.
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    How does Ronald Reagan stack up on that RINO meter of yours?
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    Huntsman is to the right of Romney (or at least more consistent) on issues such as abortion, gun rights, and taxes, and plus he was elected in one of the most conservative states in the nation (Utah), so I'm surprised he hasn't done better than Romney.
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    You know the answer. Ronnie was practically a communist. He paid lip service to the anti-abortion crowd, but did nothing substantial. He raised taxes, created record deficits, cut and run from Lebanon after 240 soldiers were murdered by terrorists. Hell, he even colluded with the Soviets to end the Cold War. If that's not liberal, what is! The guy was a Marxist and probably should have brought up by the Republicans on charges of treason!
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    Huntsman has really not been part of the conversation from the onset..

    Marketing is a Huntsman issue..
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    I think the fact that some of the more liberal posters in this forum like Hunstman, kinda says it all.
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    Is that what you have against Huntsman? Or is that what you have against the conservatives who oppose Huntsman?
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    Us "liberals" are really trying to find a GOP candidate that isn't insane. I guess you are cool with the the GOP clowns running for president?
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    Of course none of the people on this thread who think Huntsman or Romney is peachy would never vote for either, they/you will vote for Obama.


    So why would conservatives care about the opinions of libs as to who the pubs should nominate?
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    Its the same $#!zzz I hear from my folks (tea-party conservatives) That every candidate out there isn't "Conservative enough"

    its hilarious...

    Nobody is.


    Ronald Reagan wasn't either

    Bush wasn't either...




    Its like they want Rush Limbaugh.
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    False re. Huntsman
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    We get it. You don't like Huntsman. RINO, RINO, RINO!
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    Would you vote for Huntsman over Obama? Or Romney?

    If not why would conservatives who disagree with him want him to run against Obama?
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    because conservatives aren't the only peple who vote.
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    Speaking dispassionately, it's not libs or conservatives who decide an election is it? It's those independent voters who don't lean too far sideways and people who are dissatisfied with their own party's candidate.

    So, logically speaking, if you want your party to win an election, you realize that your candidate needs to appeal to more than just the hard core conservatives or the hard core liberals.

    Huntsman does that. The others do not.
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    I understand why people with your views don't like Huntsman or Romney, but what I don't understand is why Huntsman isn't doing better than Romney. From a conservative point of view, I think Huntsman is the superior candidate based on his stated beliefs and record.
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    I don't like Huntsman because he appears reasonable and capable of working with Dems as well as Republicans. In other words, if he could get any traction in the circus, he could actually win in the general. That's sort of why I don't like Romney, but Romney seems much more beatable, based on his "any way the wind blows" problem. Of course, Huntsman is beatable based on the fact that his own party hates him and nobody knows who he is.

    I'm actually surprised to hear the opinion that he's to the right of Romney, but I don't know his record, other than the fact that he served in the Obama administration. He always seems not to rise to the dog-whistle type bait. While everybody else spent the last couple years making up sh1t to be angry about and hate w/the Obama administration, Huntsman took a job in the administration. That's evidence to me that he "gets" that there is actual work to do, not just bumper stickers to parrot.

    One more thing: given the part he played in the Little Red Robin Hood affair, Huntsman's story could be compelling, once it is well enough known.

    PFnV
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    The pubbies are stupid the establishment wants the guy who is next in line, that is how they ended up with losers like Dole, McCain and Bush for that matter. They also think that they need to nominate 'moderates' who the MSM will like, again losers like McCain and Dole are the result. When pubbies run as conservatives instead of moderates they WIN. See Reagan, The Contract with America, Bush II (he ran as a conservative even though he wasn't), and the Tea Party in 2010.


    The establishment and MSM want Romney as their 'electable' candidate. So they attack first Palin then Bachmann, Then Perry now Cain and will attack Gingrich if he becomes the alternative to Romney. A lot of these attacks are coming from the Romney staff, and the Perry staff (I guess Perry's people think it will revive his campaign).

    A lo of Tea Party people will not vote for Romney. He is Obama's only chance (I discount Huntsman since he will get as many delegates and John Connolly). The Tea Party conservatives are sick of politicians and the pub eslites like Rove and the inside the beltway crowd.
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    They said the same thing about McCain, 'they' also said Independents wouldn't vote for Reagan and we know how that worked out.
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    And McCain would have had a much better chance of winning had he not picked Sarah Palin as a running mate.

    Whatever appeal he had to many independent voters was lost when she became his vice presidential candidate.
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    Given this claim and others like it you keep repeating, you should have jumped at the wager I offered you weeks ago.

    Why not put something behind your opinion?
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    13's world is always going to be warped toward true believer ultraconservatives. I do sympathize. For a while I was tormented that someone on the actual left -- for example, a Nader or somebody -- could never ever get elected. 13's like that with the ultraconservatives, except they're much more radical than Nader.

    However, anybody who knows anything about campaigns knows that some kind of conservative comedian is not going to win in the general. Regardless of the particulars -- the Cain harassment problem, Rick Perry dropping acid before a New Hampshire appearance -- they're all saying and doing silly things in regard to public policy, to the extent that they talk about it at all.

    The sillier they sound to the average person, the better they sound if you're a true believer. So true believers will always say the Party's problem is that it's not radical enough.

    PFnV
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    McCain was way behind when he picked Plain he caught up then he blew it the way he handled the financial crisis/Tarp. He would have lost by another 5% if Palin weren't on the ticket.
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    As you know I put more on the line and you passed. Offer still stands BTW.

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