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  1. Snarf

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    Let's get this straight: Brady rocks. I trust he will do what he can to right the ship.

    Our offense stunk, but we all know that Brady does this at least once a year: for whatever reason he chooses a single game to play like crap in, does nothing right, and then comes back the next week to be Tom Terrific. Every year. I can't explain it, but he does it.. it's like clockwork. Hopefully he's laid his traditional yearly egg and it's all up from here.

    While last night's problems were clearly mainly on the back of the offense, our defense managed to once again illustrate its biggest problem, and the Jets defense was able to show THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE.

    Our defense is way, way too conservative. Worse, it's irrationally conservative, because when we're conservative we tend to fail. We can't do conservative well, yet we stick to it.

    I'm talking about the "3rd-and-13 disease" that our defense has.

    Whenever it's 3rd and 15 or 3rd and 20, the opposition makes the play. I now consider "3rd and long" to be automatic for opposing offenses.

    It's the same every time: our defense drops back and our corners dance around a bit. We decide NOT to blitz (because we can't), and then our opponents make the simple throw and our DBs look like tards.

    Seemingly every time. Every game. Season after season.

    It's emblematic of a much larger problem -- a complete lack of aggression defensively. We're like a bunch of kittens out there. I watch the raiders play defense, and while they're technically poor, they are aggressive and have been incredibly effective so far. Ditto the Jets.

    We need to get a LOT more aggressive on defense. We need to be able to blitz heavily, we need to apply pressure, we need to hit more, fight more. Rodney Harrison knew best how to play defense: full force.

    As long as we keep play calling and prancing around like kittens, we're never going to get any meaningful pressure on other quarterbacks, and in a pass-happy league they will continue to pick apart our DBs.... and every time it's 3rd and 16, I'll once again say out loud to my wife "here comes their first down!"
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    I blame the offensive ineptitude on two words, "Kevin O'Connel" the jets traded for him for a reason, and it aint because he's a good prospect.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    yeah i agree with that.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    Two games the Patriots have played so far one against a sub par qb the other a rookie. The Patriots don't have one interception to show fot it. The reason is lack of pressure. Yesterday sanchez had plenty of time to throw and was quite comfy back there in the pocket. All I saw was 4 rushers most of the time.

    Like I posted last night I haven't seen an aggressive Patriots defense since Romeo was the DC.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    While I too felt a huge letdown when Leon Washington got 13 yards on 3rd & 12, and immediately thought of last year, that play was a one-time thing yesterday. I just went back through the play-by-play of yesterday's game and guess what I added up?

    The Jets were 3-11 on 3rd down.

    Three for eleven.

    I'll take that every week for the rest of the year, thank you. And while we're at it I'll take holding the opposing QB to 137 yards passing, and the opponent to 254 total yards too.

    There was no problem with the Pats defense in general yesterday, nor was there a problem with the Pats third-down defense. Maybe we're just so used to seeing big sacks on post-game highlights that we've come to expect to see those plays every time the other team has the ball.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    After the first series, the Jets O laid down until the 3rd qtr. The Jets were losing the field position game and saw Sanchez was rattled early. They stuck to the ground for the rest of the half, relying on their D to reverse the momentum. Sure, the D stopped the run, but that is all the had to worry about for 25 minutes in the first half. Sanchez went back to pass 6 times in the first half.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    Every year it seems, some people a whining about the defense at the beginning of the year. This year the defense is transitioning from old players to younger players. Historically, Bellichick's defense start to gel in the second half of the year. By November and December this defense will be fine. 3 for 11 on third down for the Jets. 16 points. That's usually enough to win most times. Problem is not the defense right now, it's with the offense.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    these things happen after cut day every season.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    They have allot of new pieces back there. As soon as they get up to speed things will ramp up. We gave up 16 pts. It's not like the offense helped them out.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    Man, I hate calm , well reasoned posts. :)-----
    Don't you know the sky is falling
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    The defensive coaches had different game plans for the two weeks. The idea is always to take away on thing and keep their offense under 20. This is a reasonable goal for such a re-vamped defense.

    Last week our goal was to contain the two top receivers, not an easy job with new guys against top receivers. There were SIX sacks, two called back. But for folks here that is not enough pressure. RESULT - Buffalo offense 18

    This week our goal was to contain the run, not easy without Mayo in the middle. The idea was to depend on the secondary to prevent scores.
    RESULT - Jets offense 16

    The defense will have much worse games this year, and they will have better.
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    Complain about the defense as much as you want. Our team is 1-1, probably headed to 2-2 because our offense isn't ready for prime time.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense


    What bothers me most is insulting posters who don't have a clue what they're talking about. The kittens stopped 3rd and 13 as well as 3rd and 28 and 2nd and 22 and all but 3 rd down attempts all afternoon. They did that by disrupting Sanchez via sacks and strip sacks and forced fumbles and solid pressure throughout the first half.

    What bothers me the most is the kicking coverage sucks. We gave the JETS a short field (45) 3 of 5 posessions in the second half. What bothers me more is we're in perpetual denial about out inconsistent pass and run blocking.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    BB doesn't want to risk a fine for getting near a quarterback.
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    The D is fine, we could use more of a push but it wasn't the problem. If you leave points on the field by not scoring then that leaves the you ripe for failure. If the score was 21-3 at half time, we would have crushed them in the 2nd half. The Oline needs the help!
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    << The Oline needs the help!>>

    You mean the Oline that failed fantastically in that Giants superbowl?

    The one that BB has inexplicably not changed at all since that day?

    The one that has gotten beaten the first two games?

    That Oline?
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    Re: What bothers me most: Our kitten defense

    Agreed. I had the game recording since I had to work the U2 show. The plan was to watch no TV or listen to the radio until this morning and watch it. So on my way to Gillette I had my Sirius satellite on, the damn NFL alerts kept popping up, so I turned that off. But I forgot that when I got to the stadium, the game was on all the big screens, so I actually got to watch it there.

    From what I saw, the defense didn't look that bad. The offense stunk the joint up. I like the fact that Guyton had 10 tackles.

    As has been stated, it's week 2. I'm not concerned, yet. I just can't wait until November 22nd when they come here. I'll be up in 304 screaming like I was last Monday against the Bills!!!


    GO PATS!!!
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    Our passive, "lie down and take it like a man" defense is sickening.

    We start playing prevent on their 20 yard line! Sanchez, a rookie QB, has ALL DAY to pick us apart. We made this kid look awesome...where was the pressure? Sit back in a zone and get raped?
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    I agree this defense is tough to watch. Still, 16 points on the road in the division should be an automatic W for this team.

    We're now at 20 something straight games since our defense has scored a point for us, though. I think that's a very telling stat. Not one pick 6, fumble recovery for points, blocked kick return, or even safety.

    The reality, though, is that offense and defense are very connected. If we can get our offense clicking and improve red zone efficiency, teams have to press against us. That's when the defense makes plays. It's so much easier to play defense up 10 than down 3.
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    Q: has the defense changed since the years we were winning Super Bowls? Other than the formations)? No. Bend-but-don't-break has always been the style.
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    I remember INTs back then. Now...nah so mush
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