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  1. Fencer

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    Every unit or subunit can have its bad games or bad couple of games. And the media loves to talk about the possibility that these are lasting weaknesses that somebody will exploit to beat the Pats. E.g., I'm inspired to post this by the Jags-built-to-beat-Pats thread.

    With that as background, what are the Pats' REAL weaknesses, if any?

    My answers:

    1. In the offense, there are none. The running game is just OK, creating a huge imbalance vs. the superlative, historically great passing game. But if the Pats need 3 yards and a cloud of snow, they're in pretty good shape to grind it out.

    2. A great dink-and-dunk -- or power-running -- offense will move the ball on a great defense, until the field shortens, at which point the movement grinds to a halt. I think most apparent signs of defensive weakness have boiled down to a version of that, or else have been due to transitory problems. E.g., I think the red zone defense is back, and will prove that it's back even against better offenses than it's been tested against recently. That is to say, I think bend-not-break is back.

    3. I do think there is one genuine defensive weakness -- playmaking in the center of the field. Bruschi is evidently a JAG now, even being relatively healthy. Seau is a JAG+, with the + being superior blitzing ability. An offense that can punch through the DL or throw over it has an easier job bending the bend-not-break guys than I'd like.

    4. I see no particular weaknesses on STs.
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    I dont see a glaring weakness, but if i had to choose one, I would say if your intial rush can be contained by a scheme, the middle of the field seems vulnerable. Easier said than done though. The pats are going to have to start thinking about reloading their D soon though.
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    Offense

    1. Running
    Pat's OL isn't particularly good at runblocking but they would be better if they had a running back that 1. didn't run with his head down and 2. hit the hole without hesitation.

    2. Playcalling
    Very predictable. Pats seem not to have made any adjustments to the adjustments defenses have made to the Pats new WR group.

    3. Brady - biggest weakness. Is obsessed with the long ball and refuses to give it up until he hits one.


    Defense

    Worse unit is the LBs. Can't get off blocks, overrun plays, can't tackle.
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    1) Not to thrilled about our running game against better competition.
    2) Weather can limit our passing attack
    3) Refereeing can require us to require larger cushion to insure the win
    4) Loosing Colvin hurt
    5) Bruschi is less than a Jag now

    In spite of all that above 80% chance we go 19-0
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    Depth at LB and CB, that's about it.

    Health at TE is always questionable, for some reason.

    Running isn't a strength or a weakness, it's average right now.
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    Yea, Brady's the biggest weakness in this offense, for sure. :rolleyes:

    Given your recent posts, you have some seriously irrational hatred for Brady and are masking it as 'constructive' criticism.
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    I was going to say "the fan base", and this post by PF1996 is a perfect example of why.
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    I'd narrow that down a bit to the Scary Mary segment of the fan base, Irate Dionysus
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    Are you serious?

    Do you not remember the Steeler game when he completed about 6 straight passes to Welker because they took away the deep stuff?
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    the weather;)
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    Yep, late in the game after he had been successful on a few long throws, which proves my point. Brady is stuck on throwing the ball long, while ignoring the short open throws, until he hits one. Once he does, he reverts to being Brady of old. The problem is that his tendency to try to force the ball UNTIL he hits one plays into the hands of defenses that focus on taking away the long ball (i.e. the Colts) and will cost us against better teams (i.e. the Colts) especially if the weather is poor. It almost did againt the Jets and that's a TERRIBLE team.
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    I guess it must be true. They did say it on the TV. That makes it true...right
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    This is kinda nit picking but if I had to pick one with gun pointed to my head, I would say depth on defense. *shrug* :confused:
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    It's the kind of problem that 3/4 of the teams in this league ( if not more) would love to have....It's like finetuning the Ferrari while the neighbor is trying to keep the wheels from falling off his Yugo.......
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    For me it has been tackling. I've seen too many missed, with many players having poor tackling technique. I hasn't been just one game, there have been many.
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    personnaly think our biggest weakness is our run defence. Generally teams have had to play from behind which has maded their run game redundant.

    Right now the one team I fear is the Jaguars.
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    most concerning which can and shouldve been fixed by now is tackling on defense. Rest are just a result of the people we have so cant just change much now. But our D seems to enjoy arm tackling or hit people instead of wrapping up.Every game we give so many extra yards because of this.
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    The biggest weakness as far as I can tell would be any loser that would call out Tom Brady on the list of weaknesses...wait, that isn't a weakness, that is insanity!
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    There seems to have been exactly 1 game (the last game) where this may have been an issue. No one has been talking about this "problem" all season.

    If the biggest weakness is a one game aberration, then I think we're in good shape.
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    That was not the case against the Eagles. I think that applies to the Jets, and there were other cases of a wide open Watson, etc. where he still went to Moss. But that happens every week to every QB. I would say that the "trend" of going to Moss against the Jets is something significant if it was to continue. I don't expect it to continue. Brady is a very smart QB and you know he'll be watching those films and getting it right against the Fish.

    If we noticed his tendency then he has noticed it too. If he continues to not notice I'd be shocked. He's a film maven and he'll get it right Sunday.
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    If they're in nickel coverage for much of the game (like against Indy) then they are giving the run. I wouldn't conclude that they cannot stop the run. They certainly did (finally) against the Ravens when they were willing to put the extra guy in the box.

    To me it depends on their scheme, not the personnel, and not their ability to take away one part of the offense. I think a lot of it is guessing and having the right people on the field for the right plays.
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    To run on the Pats you have to be a multi-dimensional player, and your passing game has to be effective. The run defense has only struggled against Addai and McGahee, who are both quick, elusive backs. Addai had Peyton Manning, McGahee was fortunate enough to play behind Kyle Boller's career game. Parker put up alot of yards, but about 40 of those came on one play, and the Pittsburgh run game was shut down when it mattered. Barber ran effectively but was not a game changer.

    I don't believe that the Patriots run defense is any kind of weakness. Find me any defense in the NFL that can consistently shut down elite backs like Tomlinson, Addai, Parker or Peterson. Maybe Pittsburgh and Baltimore. The 2007 Patriots defense clearly aren't same unit as the 2003 defense, who could shut down anyone, but they are still among the league's best.

    I think the biggest weakness is the short pass game. Last Sunday showed that you can move the ball against the Patriots with a dink and dunk game if your recievers are quick enough. You can expect the Colts to adopt that strategy if the two teams meet. Of course, with the red zone defense beginning to clamp down, it's not too big a worry.
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    When the Patriots scheme to take away something (Whitten in Dallas, Peyton in Indy, etc.) they are almost always successful. The only game where I see they failed in doing that for an extended period of time was the game against Baltimore, and the bulk of poor defense came in the third quarter before they completely shut McGahee down in the fourth. Addai was allowed to get yardage on the ground and Parker's "big day," as you mention, came with two big carries and then he padded his yardage total running against defenses primed to take away the pass. I'm not worried about a RB beating the Patriots and that's because, when they absolutely have to, they have been able to buckle down and stop the run.

    To me the success the Jets had against the Pats with short stuff was by design. As with any zone coverage, it appeared (to an amateur) that the coverages they were playing were more determined on ensuring a tackle that will not allow big YAC (something the Jets have been able to pull off against the Pats in the last couple of seasons). Again, I have a lot of faith in this defense to do the job that they are assigned and that gives the team the best chance to win, maybe more so than most.

    An interesting thing to note, also, is that the 2003 defense (which was spectacular) allowed more points in two games (30 against TEN and 34 against IND) than the Patriots have allowed against anyone this season.
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    1. Head coach has trouble dressing himself.
    2. Team likes to score points so much they sometimes offend the other teams
    3. Team acts unfair by winning the super bowl 3 out of 6 years. Hey there are 31 other teams that deserve to win it too.
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    The guy is having what will be the best year - ever - by a QB. The guy is headed towards being recognized as "the greatest of all time"

    You really are what you are...as pointed out to you..see below:

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    Good thing I wasn't taking a sip of my coffe when I read this one...I would have coughed it up all over my desk!
    Too funny....
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    a very weak fan base, composed primarily of bandwagoners

    Never has there has been a fan base that has been given so much, and appeciated so little. Perhaps that is because most "fans" are simply waiting for the baseball season to start.
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    Seriously, we do have weakness up the middle in run defense because of the injury to Colvin. Bruschi and Seau have no one to back them up, and they are wearing down. We also have no backup for Wilfork.

    The heart of the run defense is the effectiveness of the NT and the two ILB's.
    This makes the rest of the defense work. Also, our defense is built around allowing lotws of yards and plays between the 20's, "bend and don't break". This strategy needs healthy players to succeed.

    Another area that has been weak as the defense wears down is the quality of tackling.

    With all this being said, with enough rest for the three, and no further injuries, we should be fine.
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    Speed in the LB core. Outside of that, I don't think we have a big problem.
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