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    A second this year and next - (depending on exact # maybe we toss in a 6th)? Would you like to make that kind of trade adding a pick next year?
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    NE could get GB's 2nd, 3rd, and 5th for the 28th overall pick. You don't give up a first rounder for a 2007 second, and a 2008 second. NE could give up one of their first rounders for a second this year, and a first next year, that's what they did with the Ravens.
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    A couple of years ago we traded down from #19 to #37 (may have been #36; we used it pick Eugene Wilson), and got a next-year first from Baltimore in exchange. So if we traded down from #24 to perhaps low 40's, it should be worth a 2008 first.
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    They're worth what someone is willing to pay.

    I know it sounds stupid but it depends on if there's a player someone REALLY wants. What if Lynch is there and a team really wants a RB. Or Olsen at a team really wants the only legit 1st round TE. In cases like that they're worth a mid #1 and a 2008 #1. But if we're trading down just to do it then we'd get less.
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    http://www.theredzone.org/2006/draft/draftvaluechart.asp Both our picks together are worth 1400 points. That is equal to the value of the 8th pick overall. The 24th is worth 740 and the 28th is worth 660. You could get a 2nd and 3rd rounder at around at the 11th pick in the round for the 28th
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    Absolutely correct. It depends 100% on the demand.
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    Hope the demand is there....but I would take say the Falcons #44 and a second next year for either pick...
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    This is faulty thinking. Just because they "did it with the Ravens" doesn't mean they will be able to do it this year.

    Also, How do you know that the Pats could get GBs 2nd, 3rd and 5th round pick for the 28th pick? Because some out-dated draft value chart says you could?

    The VALUE of the top 16 picks went UP. As did the value of picks 17-32. The picks outside of the 1st round LOST value. All because of the way they changed the signing ability.

    That being said, I'd love the Pats to get a 2nd this year and a first next year for #24, but I don't think its going to happen unless its with a team that is desperate. If they could swing a deal with the Cardinals, that would be good.

    Also, I think that if they could swing a deal with the Bucs, they could get 2 2nd round picks from the Bucs, THIS YEAR. But, again, it depends on what the Bucs feel is THEIR needs.
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    Why do people insist on using a draft value chart that is no longer valid because of the change in the lengths of the contracts?

    Picks 1-16 are worth more than they were last year. Picks 17-32 are also worth more than they were last year. All the other picks are probably equal to what they were previously.
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    The deal with the Ravens went down because Baltimore was desperate for a young QB, and Boller was still available.

    The guys who might still be around at #24 and merit such a deal include QB Trent Edwards, RB Marshawn Lynch and WR's Ted Ginn and Dwayne Bowe. If a team in the middle of round 2 is desperate at any of those positions, then a deal could go down.
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    It was a tool to gauge what could happen. Why dont you post the most recent value chart instead of whining about the one I posted.
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    Maybe because there isn't a new one yet, Sherlock. And I wasn't whining. Maybe you should shut up and take what others say into consideration instead of acting like you have a string across your arse.

    The fact is that the OLD draft value chart really can't even be used as a guage because of the changes in the lengths of contracts that can be signed by players. And, any new chart is going to vary by team based on how much they value that extra 1-2 years in the first round.
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    It also doesn't mean they can't.:D I just used this to show that a 2007 second, and a 2008 second don't carry enough value. Future picks are devalued when trading (for those who don't know).

    That's just an example of something they could get for that pick.

    Well, considering the value of the overall top 32 went up, how does this make trading 28th for one 2nd, one 3rd, and one 5th less realistic? Since the picks in those rounds have now lost a little value? If anything it makes it more probable. Hell, even Pioli says second round picks have lost some of their value.

    Yeah, it probably won't happen unless someone falls, that NE doesn't want. It still could happen though.

    Obviously it depends on needs and the teams involved. Most trades arent done unless someone really likes a player still on the board at a certain spot.
    Also, two second rounders in '07 sounds a lot more reasonable than an '07 second, and an '08 second. For that type of trade to happen it would have to be a really high second rounder.
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    The other picks are worth less, just ask Pioli:D
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    Here's a couple of possible scenarios for trading one of our picks. The underlying motivation for doing this would be to get a high 2008 pick, as we already have too many picks & FA's this year, and BB loves having extra day-1 ammo in every draft:

    If we trade down #24, I think it would have to meet the following critieria:

    - stay in round 1, so they can sign their guy for 5 years
    - get a day-1 2008 pick in return

    So for example: trade down to the Bears for their #31 and either their 2008 2nd or 3rd. To get their 2nd rounder, Pats would have to sweeten that by throwing in a 2007 4th or 2008 3rd. To get us to accept their 3rd rounder, the Bears would have to sweeten that with a 4th.

    If we trade down from #28, I think it would have to meet this criteria:

    - get a 2008 1st rounder
    - get a 2007 low 2nd or high 3rd

    So for example: the Bucs would be ideal, they have two 2nd rounders this year. We trade down from 28 to 64 this year, and pick up their 2008 1st, which will probably be in the upper half of the first round.
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