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  1. PatsRI

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    We've all said it before and I even hate to even read him again but I read his article figuring maybe he'd have to at least back-pedal from the "Pats are cheap" mantra today. Now he seems to be saying the Pats overspent and took a big risk. That said, with Borges' track record Thomas will probably end up being Defensive Player of the Year.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/03/04/more_of_the_same/?page=1


    On a similar note: Hey Mikey, does this mean they ARE trying to put weapons on the team for Brady now? Or haven't they signed 12 WRs so they are still cheap?
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    What I love is that the best example he could come up with is a game where Graham destroyed Thomas.

    Yeah, like the Pats didn't properly take that set of issues into consideration ...
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    It is amazing isn't it. Borges seems so desperate here. So hopeful this is a bad move he reaches for whatever he can find to make it so. To borrow a line from Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. Borges is a rat. His whole family is rats. 200 bucks says he made up or embelished the quotes from the other NFL personnel guy. A 100 more says if he didn't the source was Polian.
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    I was going to post that under the caption, "Borges is skeptical so this Thomas must be a great signing"... this from the guy who wanted Terrell Davis over Richard Seymour... who criticized the hiring of BB. What a freaking tool, his venom for BB clouds any objectivity he could ever have for this team.
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    Hall of Fame malcontent Ron Borges.
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    Borges is still trying to recover from his prediction of the Rams and Pats SB :)

    Billicheck and Pioli have an eye for talent, especially when it comes to the defense..

    Plus Graham crushed a lot of LBer's.. So I'm not worried. He'll be a beast
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    He's a walking talking advertisement for seratonin medications

    It must be awful to be that depressed all the time.
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    I hate Borges more than anyone, but I have to admit, I'm a little nervous about this signing. You really never know with Ravens players. A lot of them turned out to be not that special when they were let go. The one thing that Borges doesn't take into consideration here is that even if Thomas doesn't turn out to be Lawrence Taylor, he's still clearly a better than average player, and we were short of the Super Bowl by about one better-than-average player on defense this year. Is he worth 10 million a year? Maybe not in a vacuum, but in this case, maybe he is.
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    Me thinks you mean David Terrell - wr - Michigan. All-time bust.
    Not Terrell Davis - RB - Denver. Hall of famer.
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    Borges quotes an annonymous AFC North "Executive" who says Belichick fell in love with AD at the Pro Bowl.

    Right. Like Belichick never saw enough film from Adalius before to properly gauge his value but determined he was terrific by the way he was stretching in Honolulu.

    This so-called "Executive" is probably a Vice-President of Paper Clips and Stamps.
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    Borges is truly pathetic! So transparent at this point, is his need, above all else, to be contrarian. Polian is as good a guess as any to his unnamed NFL executive, who's personnel skills we're to believe are so much better than BB and Pioli's! New England deserves so much better than this wannabe!!!
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    Attributed to early morning fog & rage over this tool.
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    Yeah and Borges would be typing up another negative article if the Pats had done the opposite and allowed players to leave and not sign anybody.
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    The funny thing is had the Pats sat around and done nothing in FA Borges would have been ripping them.
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    That's exactly what I was thinking. If the Pats had been in the running for Thomas, but had ultimately lost out to a team who offered more, Borges would be killing them for being cheap.

    By the way, it's funny how when he's talking about past/present Patriots defensive players (Seymour, Samuel, McGinest, etc.) it's the players who make the system great. Now, with Thomas, it's the Baltimore system which made the player great.
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    Gee, I wonder what happened between the time Ron posted this to MSNBC Friday and the time he posted his Globe article this morning:

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    What's interesting to me about this article is "AFC North" executive saying that BB fell in love with Thomas at the Pro Bowl... chances are that gave Thomas a good chance to know that he would like playing for BB as well

    Ironic in that if BB doesn't coach the pro bowl we don't get AD. So you gotta wonder how many SB Rings we'll have in the future for missing out on one this year.
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    Please don't confuse us with facts and examples of Borges's duplicity!:eek:
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    Thanks to my friend Moe, here's a tidbit from a February 2 Globe chat:

    Hmmm. No mention of Ed Hartwell and how Thomas is just a system player.

    Of course, Ron thought for years that another Thomas - Brady - was a system player too. He finally had to ditch that.
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    This is exactly a case of "I will write a cautionary article on Adalius Thomas. If he succeeds, everyone will forget that I wrote the article. If he fails however, I will now have an article that I can shove at BB's face everytime and I say I TOLD YOU SO, I TOLD YOU SO".

    Pretty self servicing article.
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    When I see the name Ron Borges on the byline, I don't even read the article. His schtick is to be negative towards the Patriots and to alway be a contrarian. I don't mind criticism of the Patriots, but he goes way beyond that. He's a waste of ink, space, and time.
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    Wow....the Sunday Globe, opened it up hoping for Pats articles after lots of FA activity. After a quick scan. We have our pathetic Borges article, an article on the Bruins on the front page, an article about Jonathon Papelbon, a Celts article and another Bruins one.

    Wtf. Nice Newspaper. Who gives a **** about the Bruins.
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    Great counter material from Borges himself, and who ever said you can't have it both ways? It was must not have been a sports writer.....
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    Does anyone else think that Polian is going to try to come up with a rule that "coaches of the Pro Bowl can not sign a player he coaches," just knowing what a cry baby the guy is I sure he is pissed that AD is with the Pats. ;)

    God I hope the Pats open up in Indy and Thomas drops Peyton 3 times.
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    More like 5 times.
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    Why do I continue to read this crap??????


    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/03/04/more_of_the_same/

    >>>>>Banking on Thomas is no sure thing.>>>>>
    Oh, Adelius, we forgot to mention one thing. Don't bother reading the Globe because some of the writers
    would bemoan the tax implications if you hit the Powerball,seeing the negative of everything.......

    From the article
    >>>>Since the Ravens won the Super Bowl six years ago, they have lost a trainload of defensive talent in free agency. None of the players who departed went on to maintain their level of play at their new addresses>>>>>

    Uh, the same could be said for the Patriots (see Law,T., Milloy,L., McGinest, W.,Washington, T., Hamilton,B., for example)
    And if he had gone to another team, especially one in the AFC East, he would bemoan the fact that the Pats had to face him twice a year. Look at other LBs at 30, it's the time in BB's system that they have the knowledge to fully integrate the mnaterial. A player with a few years ( read 4 or less) just isn't likely to have the experience necessary at LB as opposed to other positions.

    >>>>>What is worrisome, though, is whether the source of that production was more Thomas or the people around him.>>>>>>>
    That must be a typo because I think the intended name was Ray Lewis.......



    Compare this with Felger's opening paragraph....
    http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=186257
    He’s known as “Slash”because of all the different positions he can play. He’s tackled LaDainian Tomlinson at the line of scrimmage and covered Chad Johnson outside the numbers. His former teammates called him “The Coordinator” because he knew the defense so well. He’s a stout, 270-pound linebacker who first made the Pro Bowl covering kicks. His former coach said he’s a cross between Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks.
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    I actually found some of that to be of value. The AFC North GM who critiqued Thomas's style of play was valuable. I'm not taking it at face value, but it's good to hear a line of criticism. Of course, the Patriots like to look at what a player can do, and NOT emphasize his negatives. This GM doesn't understand that. The Patriots want to be in position to take care of your talents. They like to fit players together like puzzle pieces. They look for complements, so if you have deficiencies in the running game, well guess what. You'll be playing next to players who are stout. While they can't rush the passer well, or cover the TE,w ell that's where you cover up their deficiencies.

    This is what I objected to mostly:

    Say what? BB's mind is facile? Uh, go look up that word in the dictionary Ron.

    Sam Adams and Kim Herring made the Pro Bowl after they left Baltimore. Washington, Dalton, were not really ever stalwarts. Burnett was old when he left. So, Borges extrapolates from two free agent busts (Starks and Hartwell) that it's obvious the Ravens players only excel in that system, even though Hartwell busted because of injuries.
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    Don't let the tool bother you. Only two days earlier in an article posted on MSNBC.com, Borges himself placed Thomas first on his list of free agents “most likely to deliver value for their services” :

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17392462/page/2/

    It must have been quite a challenge for Borges to somehow, some way paint a negative picture of the Pats signing. He rolls out a pretty weak argument doubting Thomas because of his age, his price tag, and the history of defensive players after the leave Baltimore. There are a number of Borgisms in the article, for example the obligatory unnamed NFL personnel man, AFC executive, etc. but my favorite occurs when he proceeds to manipulate Ozzie Newsome’s quotes regarding Thomas, player value and free agency:

    "This was not an 11th-hour decision," Newsome said. "We've been facing that since the beginning of training camp [in 2006], knowing that we could have to make that decision. I think it was a fair decision. I think it was fair to the organization and fair for A.D.

    "I had a chance to sit down and talk with him the Monday before I came to the combine and explained our position, gave him an opportunity to talk to me. I think it was the fair thing to do.

    "The way we approach it, we come to the threshold of what we think the player's value is in Baltimore. When it goes beyond that, then we don't mind them going out the door. If we lose them, we feel like we can go out and find some more."​
    Sounds good Ron, but you forgot to mention that the last paragraph was actually spoken by Ozzie in direct response to a reporter’s question about Tony Pashos and Jarret Johnson! http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article.jsp?id=16696

    Just another example of how Borges’ personal vendetta against Belichick makes him a joke. He might have gotten all of Belichick's quarters in high school, but he wouldn't have even noticed that Bill copped his dollars in the process.
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    That time Borges thought SF would get Thomas.
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    Borges isn't worth the aggravation unless viewed as entertainment because of how many times he's been dead wrong:rofl:
    More noteworthy is the fact that after an almost historical Patriot weekend in FA,The NYGlob offers up a take by none other than Borges (eternally anti-Pats), a regurgitation of the BB "flaws" written by somebody or another who they probably deem as "safe", then calls it a day.

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