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  1. betterthanthealternative

    betterthanthealternative In the Starting Line-Up

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    BionicPatriot In the Starting Line-Up

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    Yeah, we're definantly better than the Colts.
     
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    WhiZa Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    After Reiss left the Globe got all homer
     
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    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Breer tried to say today he's not a homer. Lies! All Lies!
     
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    Sicilian Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Well to be fair for three quarters we were. Then for one quarter we really, really, REALLY were not...
     
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    InRodWeRust On the Game Day Roster

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    I want Albert R. Breer to compile some formula to make me a better wide receiver than Wes Welker. I'm pretty sure he could do it.
     
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    Sicilian Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    You've never dropped a pass or fumbled the ball in your whole NFL career. Clearly you're more reliable than Wes at least.
     
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    MassPats38 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Welcome to the wonderful world of statistics. Applying a standard formula to those variables, I am sure Breer is correct. The Pats are 5th in the NFL in points scored and 7th in points given up. They probably rank pretty high in first downs as well.

    Whether the formula is a realistic indicator of how good a team is represents an entirely different question.
     
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    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Seems to me that Kevin Faulk has a perfect lifetime passer rating in the NFL and that Mike Vrabel has a perfect reception/TD record.

     
  11. xmarkd400x

    xmarkd400x 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    I can rank teams, too!
    SEE?

    PS: I went with reverse-alphabetical order!

    1. Washington Redskins
    2. Tennessee Titans
    3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    4. St Louis Rams
    5. Seattle Seahawks
    6. San Francisco 9ers
    7. San Diego Chargers
    8. Pittsburgh Steelers
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    10. Oakland Raiders
    11. New York Jets
    12. New York Giants
    13. New Orleans Saints
    14. New England Patriots
    15. Minnesota Vikings
    16. Miami Dolphins
    17. Kansas City Chiefs
    18. Jacksonville Jaguars
    19. Indianapolis Colts
    20. Houston Texans
    21. Green Bay Packers
    22. Detroit Lions
    23. Denver Broncos
    24. Dallas Cowboys
    25. Cleveland Browns
    26. Cincinnati Bengals
    27. Chicago Bears
    28. Carolina Panthers
    29. Buffalo Bills
    30. Baltimore Ravens
    31. Atlanta Falcons
    32. Arizona Cardinals
     
  12. patriots pam

    patriots pam Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    "If you're not first, you're last."

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    lamafist Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    The Pats also rank #4 in total team efficiency over at FootballOutsiders.com, using their DVOA metric.

    They actually rank 3rd behind the Colts and Eagles, and ahead of the Saints, in weighted DVOA, where the games at the beginning of the season start to be counted less.

    In fact, just about any statistical metric will rank the Pats pretty high up -- for example, the Pats rank 4th in point differential.

    It's hard for fans to see past the W-L record, the only "stat" that will determine whether the Pats make the playoffs or not, but we need to realize that the record is only 13 data points.

    Outside of the debacle against the Saints in NO, our 4 losses have been by an average of 3 points. Meanwhile, teams like the Colts have largely squeaked by against some mediocre teams.

    This might not matter when it comes to deciding playoff seeding, but how a team plays during the thousand-some snaps over the season is a better predictor of how they're going to play than the relative scores at 13 intervals along that way.

    The Pats are certain not a "great" team this year, but they are a "good" one, at least relative to the rest of the teams in the league this season.
     
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    Jangles PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Wow

    I trust ESPN ranking us 9th way more than that
     
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    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

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    The Patriots are number 4 in my heart and number 1 in my loins. ~<3
     
  16. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    The ranking is probably pretty accurate for what it ranks.
    If you add up all the plays each team has had this season, making all of them exactly equal to each other, then the Pats have had the 4th best season so far.
    If you weight those plays for their contribution to deciding a win or a loss we come in somewhere around tied for 8th.
    Ironically if we could have made 2 of those plays that mattered most, we'd be 4th in w/l % too.
    Pretty safe to say that the quality the Colts, Saints, Vikings, Chargers have had that results in them succeeding on game deciding plays is more valuable than us succeeding more in the ones that don't decide games.
     
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    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

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    Let's not forget we had a 3 possession lead against an undefeated team in their stadium while playing undermanned. We've hit some serious roadbumps since then - but on paper, this team is just as talented as any other team. Just as the Saints & Colts may have perfect records, their teams are far from perfect.

    The idea that we're going to be one and done in the playoffs, just doesn't fly to me. Anything can happen.
     
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    PATSYLICIOUS Pro Bowl Player

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    There's only 4 teams I think are clearly ahead of us right now - Colts, Saints, Chargers, Vikings. Not saying we are definately a top 5 team, but every other team aside from those 4 you can make a case for us being ahead.
     
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    FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Methods To Our Madness
     
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    I don't know if they have a special quality that got them the wins. As easy as it is to find defining plays late in close games, any number of things earlier in games can sway the w/l statistic as well. Whatever the case may be, this team is capable of playing some good football, and we can only hope they are able to put it together for 60 minutes accross multiple games going into the playoffs.
     
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