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  1. IcyPatriot

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    Everyone can sleep tight tonight ... Barry is announcing an oil recovery czar.

    Why didn't i think of that ... :confused2:

    Obama to name oil recovery 'czar' in first Oval Office address

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  2. patsfan13

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    Is he firing the head of EPA who was supposed to run the clean up by law?

    Or just adding more useless bureauracy.

    What a moron.
     
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    +1. The guy is just absolutely clueless. He is humiliating America on a regular basis around the world. We are becoming a laughing stock thanks to our Crackhead in Chief.
     
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    We thought that was Thad Allen, already ?

    I can tell the people are getting sick and tired of this. We don't even know if everything is dead already below the ocean. We know theres more oil under the ocean than there is on top, scraping the ocean floor were all the crawfish, oysters, etc.. live and breed. We know that spill is right in the middle of the Bluefin tuna breading ground that is going on right now. We get reports from fishermen about seeing 100's of dead dolphin on the surface before they are escorted away by BP security.

    and we know the oil is in the marsh now, so what on god green earth is a new Czar going to do for anyone.

    I dont care if they have to mobilize the entire armed forces and coordinate a massive volunteer program in America. Someone needs to take ownership of this and contain this oil. Out of the 17,000 coast guard, they keep braggin about, only 3000 are working because they don't have the equipment or materials down there yet to put them to work.

    This hurricane is sputtering out, but it could have just as easily become a CAT 2 or 3 Hurricane and hit the gulf in 48 hrs. That would shove most of this oil inland to the marshes,New Orleans, and the Gulf coast in a matter of hours.
    Atlantic Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook

    I really think New Orleans is at its breaking point. If Obama and BP do not act soon, as in tomorrow, your going to see civil problems shortly.
    There are protest already all over south Louisiana. Don't make us bring out the floats.
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    PF, you are out of line here in your ignorance. She has had her people involved doing their job the whole time and doing their job since before the oil came ashore. EPA is only responsible for monitoring the water levels from the spill and cleaning up the shoreline as well as overseeing all waste disposal operations. They have been on scene overseeing the cleanup and monitoring the whole time- the men and women in white clothes double bagging large globs along the seashore are EPA people.

    Coast Guard has the lead in all the offshore plugging operations and the overall cleanup effort by federal law(6 U.S.C. § 468). This entire situation is supposed to be spearheaded by the US Coast Guard NOT THE EPA.
     
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    Nope the EPA is supposed to administer a National Contingency plan to deal with oil spills I have referenced and quoted the regulations on other threads on the oil spill here.


    EPA even has a book about it..... The regs date from 1994.


    Here is the guy to deal with the spill.....Vince the sham wow guy just stuff those puppies in the well we can ring them out and reuse them. He can also stick the BP CEO's hand in a slap chop and rough him up....


    So Vince for Clean up czar.... better than most bamy apointees
     
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    Sounds good to me.
     
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    So basically the govt's taking over the oil industry:confused:
     
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    Oh Boy another Czar......
     
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    Wow, no one saw that coming:p
     
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    Well, since this seems to be the thread where everyone gives their reflexively predictable reactions -- down to the usual "Crackhead in Chief" pap -- I thought I would do my part and oblige.

    Really, I don't care about this either way. Presidents have used czars forever, but recently they've become just another reason for people to vent their frustration at having lost the election.
     
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    Have you actually read the National Contingency Plan or are you spouting off? What you believe and what is available online not only contradict they go against what the EPA's own website is stating about their role in the situation- they are under the USCG in it.

    Title 40, Part 300, Subsection 120 which is the National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan part that deals with this clearly states exactly what I said before about this being a USCG led operation NOT THE EPA: Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:

    "(1) The USCG shall provide OSCs for oil discharges, including discharges from facilities and vessels under the jurisdiction of another federal agency, within or threatening the coastal zone. The USCG shall also provide OSCs for the removal of releases of hazardous substances, pollutants, or contaminants into or threatening the coastal zone, except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section. The USCG shall not provide predesignated OSCs for discharges or releases from hazardous waste management facilities or in similarly chronic incidents. The USCG shall provide an initial response to discharges or releases from hazardous waste management facilities within the coastal zone in accordance with Department of Transportation (DOT)/EPA Instrument of Redelegation (May 27, 1988) except as provided by paragraph (b) of this section. The USCG OSC shall contact the cognizant RPM as soon as it is evident that a removal may require a follow-up remedial action, to ensure that the required planning can be initiated and an orderly transition to an EPA or state lead can occur."

    "OSC" is "ON SCENE COORDINATOR" meaning the lead in the the incident...Oil rig out to sea is USCG jurisdiction, it falls under the "Coastal zone" definition of the plan thus it is their lead on the incident not the EPA.

    Under normal circumstances EPA is the lead in most incidents and in planning with the USCG as the co-chair- but this is not a normal incident and it sure as hell isn't planning. It's entirely USCG jurisdiction with EPA alongside in support along with numerous state and federal agencies. But USCG is the lead agency here. What gives them their jurisdiction over the EPA that holds true in the plan? The Federal law that I cited before.
     
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