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  1. QuiGon

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    I am starting to enter the market for a new car, and I sure won't be buying a Chevy. Sorry, but I found it too galling the way they pandered to the illegal immigrant crowd with their Spanish-only commercials last night during the World Series.

    This is what is going to destroy America. Never in the history of the world has a nation survived with so many cultures at war within. I guess stealing our health care services, shutting down our hospitals and not paying any taxes isn't enough to satisfy some people.

    But maybe it's just me. Seems like an awful lot of people don't care that they can't go to a fast food restaurant these days without getting their order botched by someone who doesn't even speak the language...
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    Pandering to the illegal immigrants? How many illegal immigrants do you think buy new cars? Can they get a loan? Hold a title? Don't hide your feelings, you're offended that they're marketing (what's the difference between marketing and pandering again?) to legal immigrants, and you think America should just be for English-speaking Americans. GMC's trying to make money, you can bet there was an ROI attached to that ad campaign and they thought it would bring in more money than it cost, just like other ad campaigs. Don't make your xenophobia GM's problem.

    Would you ever consider a foreign car, though? They make some very reliable cars in Japan I'm told.
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    Think of it like this: I'm a Mexican here legally on a work permit and would like to buy a new car. Unfortunately my English, while adequate in day-to-day situations, will not help me navigate the legalese involved in buying a car and it is a big step for me to buy a car at all. But look, one company says I should be able to buy a car regardless of what language I speak. It's simply a matter of catering to a significant portion of the population.

    I don't understand people who are SO threatened by other languages. WAKE UP! Most people of the world speak 2 languages and you're fortunate enough to slide by on one. If they need to withdraw money from the ATM they should be able to read what they're doing. European ATMs have as many as 6 languages programmed into them. Do you get upset at seeing french on products marketed to Canadiens or is that okay because they are at least white?
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    Are you really this stupid..? What, do you think illegal immigrants just don't drive any cars anywhere in America...? Join us in the real world.

    You're damn right I think America should be for English speaking Americans. I think America should be for Americans and legal immigrants - and I think English should be the nation's official (and only) recognized language. I think part of becoming an American citizen should be the requirement to learn and speak English fluently. If you aren't willing to do that, then stay in Brazil/Mexico/China/etc. I ain't hiding any opinions of mine - unlike you, I am totally open with my feelings.

    Are you kidding..? I've owned 10 cars in my life and 9 of them were foreign (the only car I ever had a serious problem with was the first and last American union made car I will ever own). So yeah, I guess I would "consider" a foreign car. The only thing worse than cars made by American labor unions are cars made in Mexico. I will most likely buy a car made in America by non-union labor. I believe Mazda and Nissan have a few such plants.
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    I won't support anything that is bi-lingual. Thankfully I missed this commercial. Heck, I don't even buy cards at Hallmark because of their "Se Hablo Espanol" (or whatever the f*ck it says) sign outside the window. Catering to Spanish speakers is part of the downfall of the country, if they don't learn the primary language they are destined to an unproductive life and catering to them in Spanish leads to not learning English.
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    The point is that most people in Europe know the primary language of their country. I have no problem with people leaning, or previously knowing, Spanish. I have a big problem with Spanish speakers not learning English.
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    yeah guys, god forbid our children grow up knowing and speaking another language. That would be the downfall of America for sure...
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    That's fine but they're also distancing themselves from another significant portion of the population. We'll see how it works out for them, I guess.
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    That is not the issue and you know it. At least you should. The issue is learning English at an early enough age to get a good education.
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    I'm bilingual. My parents are immigrants. I find it outrageous that we cator to spanish speakers the way we do. My parents had to learn english. They couldn't take a drivers test in Italian, press 2 for guido, go to government offices and get paperwork in spanish. IT's BS. Why is it BS? Because by catoring as we do, we leave zero incentive for foreignors to learn english and asymilate. This isn't about disliking latino's, it's about protecting american culture. When foreignors come to this country we welcome the nuances they blend into our existing society. The problems with the current invasion is two fold. One, we're being assaulted by an uncontrolled wave of uneducated, undocumented foreignors which is bringing down the quality of life for existing citizens, and two, this uneducated wave is being given zzero incentive to asymilate, and learn english, since everything they need is done in spanish.
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    They drive shltboxes registered to their family or they take public transport - they don't have >$20K to spend on a new car.

    But GMC is a private company, shouldn't they be doing whatever they need to do (legally) to maximize sales? If pig-latin is going to sell cars, why wouldn't they use it?
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    And I don't understand people who say "the rest of the world does such-and-such so America should do such-and-such also." Sorry, but I get frustrated when I go to D'Angelo's and order a ham sub, white bread, hold the mayo and get a turkey on rye with extra mayo.

    LOL..!! Thank you for unwittingly proving my point entirely..!! Canada is a country that has, in the past, been on the verge of splitting in two over their language and culture issues. There is a serious movement to have the French speaking Quebec break into it's own country. I just don't want to see that happen to America, but I guess my opinion is in the minority.
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    You're an uneducated idiot, if we send the immigrants out of America you should have to go with them. I was going to answer your "points" but I feel so much better having gotten that out of my system that I think I'll go have lunch instead.
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    They have every right to sell their cars in any legal manner they desire. And I have every right to choose not to buy their cars based on how they market their products. And I choose not to buy the car of a company that panders to the illegal-immigrant population.
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    Yep. I bet it doesn't maximize sales, though. Spanish commercials will turn off more of the new car buying population than it turns on.
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    And you're a liberal moron that has just admitted you can't respond to the points I have made. So thank you for that admission.

    But don't feel bad... even if you weren't handicapped by being a complete moron, you still wouldn't be able to defend your points since they are just so much fluff.
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    many of the people who come here are adults incapable of really mastering a new language (as we age we become less able to adapt to linguistic challenges), but their children will be brought up bi-lingual and speak English or probably already do.

    As for Europe: businesses there have to cater to many different languages and so Chevy is doing the same thing. Don't fault Chevy, especially if you're Republican and believe in the importance of a strong economy.

    I just think it's funny the way you guys are all Chicken-littling about language. Trust me, English is here to stay thanks to the American monopoly on computers and technology and also in large part to the former British Empire. Not to mention Hollywood and the music industry exporting to all corners of the globe. So a few Mexicans want to speak their own language while improving their standard of living? I say let 'em...
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    Ya know, if that's all they were doing I could learn to accept it... unfortunately, it's more like millions (not "a few" as you say) of Mexicans that want to impose their language on us, impose their culture on us, not pay any taxes, steal our health care, accept our free government services, destroy hundreds of hospitals, commit crimes, form gangs and then plan rallies where they can all talk about how racist we Americans are.

    By the way, I notice you dropped your whole "Canada does this..." argument. Yeah, I slammed you pretty good on that on, so I don't blame you...
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    I don't know why Europe is your proving ground. What Europe has become is what I don't want the U.S. to become - not in terms of language but in terms of liberal, socialist, crappy, unsuportable governments.
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    Actually I was speaking about American products that have French on the package or in the directions.

    As for Canada, they almost did split up but so what? That doesn't prove your point, plenty of other countries have many different types of people and cultures living alongside each other... Having one language certainly simplifies things and it makes sense to have all Congressional sessions in English and a court system in English.

    but I think all individuals deserve representation by their government and so should be given any and all tools they need to comprehend such matters.

    As for illegals, they're not here with any great agenda, they just want to live a better material life. I'm not thrilled by massive migration but at some point we have to deal with the ones who ARE here and treat them like human beings. Does this mean amnesty? no. But it does mean people like you and I should treat them with civility and as human beings. They are like us, just trying to live a happy, secure life and raise their children in a better environment.

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