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    #24 Jersey

    Paul's a joker, he reminds me of a better Stockdale, Perot's running mate. And Huckabee is too hayseed, smiley boy for me.

    But Thompson, Romney, McCain, Giuliani, I like them all. Not all their policies but they're grown ups, well thought, well spoken and would make strong representatives for the country. I think they're a stronger group than the Dems. Obama has almost no resume, Hillary is a yeller who thinks she can marry into the presidency. And Edwards is a one trick pony.

    Aside from issues, watching the Republican debate they look like the stronger, more experienced and more capable group to me.
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    My instincts are telling me The next president is Democrat .The last 8 years with the Rep. were a bumpy ride for many.
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    Hillary will beat Romney in November.

    I don't like any of the candidates out there except for Ron Paul, who is the only candidate I've donated money to.
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    Yep , obama or clinton will be the next president . America wants a change , because of many reasons , it will be a 'PUNISHMENT VOTE'.
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    #24 Jersey

    I don't know if he had a bad night but he looked bad in this debate. The time when his answer suggested what the others said was 180 off reality and he said he couldn't hear anything - that was darn near Stockdale-esque.
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    #24 Jersey

    You're probably right. I was really just saying that while most say it's a strong (D) field and a lousy (R) field, I feel the opposite and was largely impressed tonight even though there isn't a single (R) candidate I'm truly with on the issues.
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    Paul is goner now that his bizarre and racist newsletters are public:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/index.html?section=cnn_topstories&eref=yahoo

    Thank you Ron Paul for reminding people that American Libertarianism tends to attract bigots.

    Giuliani in drag, using city services to conceal his affair, telling the media before his wife that he was divorcing her, flipflopping to the right to pander to the religious conservatives.

    Romney is Mr. FlipFlop. He lied to get elected in Massachusetts and is probably lying now to pander to the right. He's well polished, but overly so, like the stereotype used car salesman. He' a lightweight.

    Thompson is downright lazy, has done a minimum amount of campaigning, and probably would be the same in the general election. Plus he looks even older than McCain. Also, like McCain, he has a trophy wife, something that I think won't sit well if Clinton is the opponent.

    McCain is old, the famous hug with Bush is embarrassing, his reputation is swearing and losing his cool is well documented, but he's one I could tolerate.

    Huckabee is a bit of a nut. Though pretty good on poverty issues, his belief in Creationism makes him a throwback to another era, and he apparently has no interest in the separation of church and state. Also, check this out from a nice conservative source:

    http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12205
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    #24 Jersey

    Well, as I said, I think they're a good group. You want to throw names out well Hillary is a shrill, pandering flip flopper herself who will change with every poll. And Obama has almost no resume.
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    :rofl:

    NEM, you need to stay out of the Arizona sun bud. ;)
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    ....and Obama is a kid, Hillary is underqualified, and Edwards is an ambulance chasing hypocrite fraud. Wow, wait, I just realized all the candidates have flaws? :eek: Oh my goodness!
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    So by your standards:

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    I'm sure NEM would be singing the same tune if we were talking about Barbara or Laura Bush.
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    Bigot? Are you calling me a bigot? Are you some kind of idiot?
    Is it some kind of trait in partisan as-holes, Democrat liberals or Republican neocons, that makes them say things without thinking about insulting people whose intentions are for the betterment of people but with whose tactics they disagree with? Fakrissakes, people would be listened to more openly if they didn't make broad generalizations about "groups" and we might be able to have a decent discussion!:mad:
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    People said John F. Kennedy would be obligated to the Catholic Church, and that turned out to be not true. By a long shot.



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    #24 Jersey

    In case you haven't caught on yet, Patters is a total hypocrite. He says we can't insult each other but thinks nothing of calling large groups of people bigots. He is a smart guy and probably well intentioned but he is so full of hate that he can't help himself. The last thing a Libertarian is is a bigot - Libertarians are live and let live people - do what the hell you want as long as you don't step on the rights of others.

    Patters - Libertarians have no problem with gays, it's OK to not hate them. Live and let live, remember ?
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    That's the problem he has. The gay issue. Libertarians see gay marriage as a non-issue, meaning that the government has no business regulating personal relationships and therefor should have no input on marriage between anyone, gay or strait. So by not having a position in the context of the present condition of the government being in the shirts of every citizen, Libertarians are comitting some sort of "sin of omission" by saying, ironically, "live and let live". Too bad Patters happens to be the variety of citizen who believes the government should be involved in everything! Kinda stuck there, huh.
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    Hey, don't chastize Patters like that. Don't you know he comes from that debate and discussion, (in)tolerance preaching party, that accepts all colors & creeds, and doesn't stereotype. Haven't you read the memo or mission statement? :D


    Here's a beaut from Chris Todd about last night's debate. This just goes to show you how banana brained this country is, and how institutionalized we've become. Remember, this guy is the lead political analyst for one of the biggest news outlets in the world, NBC. Anyone who watched the debate, like I did, clearly saw both the candidates, and moderators, gang up on him, and try to paint him as some crazy wierdo who's somewhere in space. I absolutely loved it when he said "I'm the most conservative person up here...." and went into a bit about why. In this country, both the sheep, and the press, look at anything outside of the establishment, and status quo as loony. It's truly tragic how moronic the public has become.

    And then there's Ron Paul... why didn't Fox stick to its guns and keep him out. He was a distraction for a good portion of the debate and took away from the candidates who have a real shot at the nomination.
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    Are you saying that Patters is ultimately a "you're either with us, or against us" type on issues affecting gays? No way! :D
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    #61 Jersey

    I agree 100 percent.
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    Al Gore?
    The same Al Gore that lost to the cognitively challenged traitor that anyone else but John Kerry could have beaten?
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    What has she ever accomplished in the area of public policy, beyond 'caring'. I can't think of a single accomplishment. She has never held a executive position either in the private or public sphere.
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    Thanks for comparing Christians to skinheads, white supremacists and the KKK.


    Oh and Robert 'KKK' Bird says hi, again!
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    Please tell us why she is qualified to be president? She has zero experience other than being married to the former president. Funny that she's not qualified to hold an executive position with any company....yet you want her to be the top executive in the country. The best candidate on the dem side this year was Bill Richardson.
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    Robert Bryd......is one prominent racist who voted for Gore/Kerry.
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    NEM, Hillary has been a non-factor in the Senate, she has zero diplomacy experience (diplomacy is discussing issues and resolving problems with foreign leaders, not going for tea as first lady), and didn't even have a security clearance as 1st lady, so she was not privy to anything classified, which is basically everything that goes on in the White House.I'm not saying Mitt or Fred are more qualified, but her qualifications are not impressive.
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    Richardson was probably the most qualified on the Dems side actually. But because many Democratic priamry voters now yearn for some non-descript "change," his experience comes off as indifferent at best or negative at worst.
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    Has she ever run anything? Nope.
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    washingtonpost.com > Politics > Elections 2004
    Utah



    U.S. President -- Utah
    Updated 11/24/04 1:59 AM ET
    Precincts:100% Incumbent* declared winner

    Candidates Votes %

    George W. Bush * (R) 612,623 71%
    John F. Kerry (D) 227,286 26%
    Other 21,823 3
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    based on what?
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    NEM, here are some facts for you in reponse to you saying all bigots, evangelicals, and mormons vote republican (and lumping the religious in with skinheads was way out of line).

    Al Gore got 30% of the Evangelical vote in 2000, John Kerry got 21% according to this link:

    http://people-press.org/commentary/display.php3?AnalysisID=103

    I also read that 40% voted for Clinton in 1996.

    About 100 million people voted in 2000, and about 25%, or 25 million identified themselves as evangelicals. 30% of that 25 million would be 7.5 million evangelicals that did NOT vote for Bush.

    12% of mormons voted for Al Gore, I can't find a % for Kerry.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0377/is_2001_Spring/ai_73368516

    Turning the mormon point around, if Republicans are bigots you'd expect they would be much less likely to vote for a mormon candidate, right? Well, this shows equal bias among Repubs and Dems, the percent that would NOT vote for a well qualified mormon.

    Democrats: 18%.
    Republicans: 18%

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938002/posts

    Lastly, there's at least 1 Democrat I'm guessing mormons voted for in pretty high numbers, that would be SENATE MAJORITY LEADER HARRY REID, D-NEV, and also, gasp! A MORMON!

    How about voting for a black candidate? Here are some poll numbers from CBS

    http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/012207_dems_poll.pdf

    "Would you vote for a qualified black candidate from your own party?"

    Dems: 92% yes, 3% no
    Reps: 92% yes, 6% no

    Now, there were more Republicans that answered no, but for both parties the exact same percent said race WOULD NOT MATTER (92% for both).

    What about from the other party (Would a Repub vote for a black Dem, and vice versa)

    Dems: 73% Yes, 23% no
    Reps: 74% Yes, 21% no

    Again, the positive numbers (indicating race plays no role) are the same for both parties, and actually Democrats are less likely to vote for a black Republican.

    Together, this data suggests that Republicans are no more bigoted than Democrats, and contrary to your opinion, the facts show that plenty of evangelicals and mormons voted for Gore/Kerry. Can you now please stop your ignorant ranting that the Republican party is the party of racists and religious fanatics?

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