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  1. Fencer

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    Wes Welker is small, and not particularly great at catching throws far from his body.

    What makes him a great receiver is that he's elite -- probably all-time elite -- at using his legs and brains to move his small target area well away from defenders. And he is also elite at running elusively after the catch.

    Welker's target area isn't super-small, as is evidenced by the fact that Matt Cassell was able to feast on it much as Brady does. But it is small enough that defenses can indeed sometimes hamper his success -- just as they can for every other receiver in the game.
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    Of course he has trouble catching balls away from his body. Dude's 5'8, he's got short arms and smaller hands.
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    Welk has decent hand size and a grip like steel. That said a 5' 9" guy's arms don't reach out that far.
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    I wish we do sign him up forever and not have him follow Branch's path.

    And, count me among those who were holding their breath when he was still late in the game in kick returns.
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    Welker's real flaw is being too good a guy, too good a teammate, and wanting to play for the Patriots too much. He should have told them to pound sand and never signed that tag. There is no way they would be sitting where they are without him and maybe then some of the morons who want him gone would wake up to how much he means to this team. Brady gets it, it's a shame so many others never will.
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    Dude. Give it a rest already.
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    I was just writing about this in another thread. Spot on, I agree. Brady has to hit him square in the chest/stomach area or any sort of arms extension will cause him issues.

    Amazing. We are playing with fire there with him. He always takes such a beating too

    Every game I fear for his well being and feel he gets banged around like a rag doll. He literally got bent in half on one play last night.

    What. A. Heart.
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    This is why the patriots aren't like the 31 other teams in the NFL and are successful every single year. Thanks for proving this point.
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    That and the fact he yells at his imaginary friends before every kick return.
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    Right. He isn't built physically to have much of a target radius, and he also doesn't happen to have superior body control in the air. When he DOES catch a ball over his head, it looks like a roller coaster ride.

    Awesome receiver nonetheless, and greatly deserving of his enormous paycheck this year.
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    Seriously Jack? I am not the one who starts one thread after another about Welker, in fact none of those who support Welker are starting any threads about him, ony those who want to knock him, and then people expect those who appreciate him to stay quiet while they crap away on him. Bottom line, if people start threads about Welker then I am going to chime in, anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to read it.
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    Actually the Patriots pay their HOF quality players, that's why Brady and Wilfork are still here, and if they don't pay Welker then they are going to pay a huge price on the field for that mistake, just as they would have had they listened to the idiots in this forum and traded him any of the past 3 seasons. If he were not here this year they would be screwed, and only those who don't watch the games would think otherwise.
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    Yes, seriously. You've made your views on the guy abundantly clear. It's getting overwrought now to the point of absurdity.
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    Real simple solution Jack, if the turds stop posting Welker threads you won't see me responding. or you can ignore the thread, either is fine with me.
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    And yet i haven't started one thread about him, and you have no problem with those who do. If people start them I will respond, put me on ignore any time you want, I could care less.
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    Couldn't care less. It's couldn't care less. And I'm trying to give you some helpful advice. If you want to keep beating the dead horse, go right ahead.
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    At 5'8, not only does Welker run the slot routes to precision, what's unreal is he can run intermediate and deep-intermediate routes well too. He doesn't have the pterodactyl-like wingspan to snag passes out of the air like Megatron or Moss, but the fact that he's at least attempting to run vertical routes and doing them competitively is amazing. Welker might be the best vertical threat on this team right now.
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    Had I started any of these threads Jack you would have a point, however i am simply responding to the ********s who start one thread after another knocking him week after week. I have never seen any player ripped as consistently as Welker gets ripped in this forum, and I'm guessing the number of threads dedicated to just that purpose are closing in on 100 over the past few years. This is one of the greatest player's to ever suit up for this franchise and he deserves a hell of alot better. Much as i love the Patriots i am reaching the point where i almost hope he goes somewhere else so the moron Patriot fans see just how much that damages this franchise and any hope for more rings before Brady and Belichick hang them up.
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    SB win pct. in Brady's career.

    w/o Wes: 100
    w/ Wes: 0

    Numbers don't lie, he is a good receiver playing with a legend. Bill would have let him go ASAP and never missed him, we all know this.

    Your above post is a joke, we never won a SB with a 100+ catch receiver, so what changes by losing him? He choked last year and won't be the reason we win this year.
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    When Welker can get his hands turned down (pinkies together, thumbs out), he is outstanding...even if the ball is just off the turf, behind him or well in front of him. When he has to turn his hands up (thumbs together, pinkies out), he is much less effective.

    This actually makes him ideally suited to team with Brady and not so much with most other QBs. On short routes, Brady throws a low ball, tight spin and excellent pace. Add the fact that Brady/Welker share a football brain and you get 100+ receptions every year.

    While Welker would be successful with any team, he would be much less effective and efficient anywhere else. Considering his entire value is based on this efficiency (quantity over quality), I suspect he would prioritize staying with the Pats over breaking the bank. Unless the Pats are intent on moving on (which they might be if Edelman stays, Vereen continues to emerge, Hernandez can stay healthy, Demps lurking on the horizon and nice slot options in the draft), I would expect Welker to be around for a couple more years.
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    Great point! The Patriots also never won a Superbowl with a TE that caught 10+ TD passes every year, so I don't know why they extended Gronkowski. Maybe they could cut him right before the playoffs so he doesn't affect them negatively in the postseason. I mean, he wasn't even a factor on our last Superbowl loss, so Bill would be wise to keep this choker off the roster when the going gets tough.
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    Well if someone went off on how BB & Brady are screwed over losing Gronk I would argue something similar. We could have won without Gronk and Welker both if we executed better last Feb. Its a team sport.

    If you think we can't win without Welker, what exactly is it based on? We lose some completions and yards, but average QB stats lead to titles all the time (See PIT and NYG 4 titles since our last), and Brady without Welker (or anyone really) is far from average.

    Nice way to ignore the point and feed into an emotional fan's lack of logic. I can't fathom placing priority higher on a system receiver than the guys and management who saved this franchise.
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    You could play that game with lots of Brady's current teamates. And as Brady says we don't even get there without him.
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    Welker didn't choke last year. Only someone with no understanding of the game and just how hard it is to catch that pass would be stupid enough to say that.

    BTW, Branch and Hernandez had bigger chokes in that game than Welker. Yet I don't see you saying jack about them.. Take the blinders off..
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    You know who else sucked? Ray Bourque, no rings in Boston.
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    Your initial argument was as illogical as anything I've read on this board. Wes Welker has been a tremendous player for the Patriots for the past 6 years. He had a bad drop in the Superbowl, and now all of a sudden not only can the Patriots thrive without him, they'd be better off if they were to let him go? I don't see any way you can argue this team would be better without Wes Welker. The fact that, when they won, they didn't have a player like him has absolutely nothing to do with the value he provides to this team. Yeah, when they won Superbowls they also had a defense and the ball usually bounced their way. You do realize that were it not for 2 of the most spectacular catches in Superbowl history we would've won 2 other trophies, right? They were incredibly close to winning both games, just like they could easily have lost a couple of the 3 they did win. That's just the way football is. To put those failures on Welker's shoulders is absurd, especially when considering he was arguably our best offensive player in the 2007 game.
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