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    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

    Interesting to see Welker and Trent Green being compared to each other in trade discussions. If Miami is planning on using Green as a starter (assume they are) and pay him accordingly, would be hard to argue that a 2nd round compensation isn't appropriate. Of course Green is probably one solid concussion from retirement, so that has to be accounted for as well. Interesting stuff...

    It did make me think about the Welker trade again though. I was against the trade and probably still am to a degree, but then I think about the games (AFCC, Jets, etc.) where it was painful seeing the Pats not being able to convert key third downs. If Welker can just help convert a few key third downs a game, I think it might make a more significant impact that you might think.

    So I'm warming up to Welker but not sold yet. May suffer another relapse on draft day depending on how it turns out. Welker probably won't have stats that you would think of being worth a 2nd round pick, but that is not how I'll evaluate him. When the Pats have a 3rd and 4 in the 4th quarter and I don't have that queasy feeling in my stomach...well, a 2nd round pick will have been a small price to pay.
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    With Maroney now being the man for the running game, we need to get him off kick returns. Welker can help us there and is a guy that is a Pats kind of player. He will help us in several areas and take wear and tear off of Maroney which will be an additional dividend.
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    It's cute that two guys who can't touch Belioli can have a little circle jerk chat about what a great trade one of them made. Let's see how much Welker ends up helping.
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    Start the damn season!!!
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    I kinda agree with Miami that Green isn't worth that much. If I was in Miami's shoes, I would rather have Welker than Green. Did anyone see Green play after he got back from his concussion? He was horrible. Everyone blames the running game for the Chiefs losing to the Colts. But if you watched that game, Green was probably the biggest cause. He couldn't hit an open receiver in that game even with them only five yards away from him.

    At 37, who knows if he will ever rebound back to close to what he was before his injury. I hope the Dolphins complete this trade, because they were better off with Harrington than Trent Green.

    Green should just hang it up rather than embarrass himself in Miami in this upcoming season.
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    I agree, they can compare positions all they want but it's still 25 years old vs. 37 years old.
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    Welker was a great trade. You get a versatile guy and you don't have to worry about his NFL transition ,how his character will adapt to the NFL, if he is able to learn an NFL playbook, if his body will breakdown having to adapt to a 16+ game season.

    The difference between Green and Welker as many have stated is one is in his prime and one is at the end of the road. Peterson is not the best GM as we all know with his questionable moves.
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    It would have helped had Green's RECEIVERS looked the ball into their hands and actually CAUGHT a few. They were bad.
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    Green isn't worth a Mr.Irrelevant much less anything more. KC has no leverage in this and Green can just sit there till KC either releases him or Keeps him with his over 7 mil. cap #, either way I could care less.
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    I don't see how Miami can go wrong getting a starting quarterback for a second round pick!:wha: :rofl: :scared: :nono:

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    The thing is Welker wasn't simply a third down WR for the Dolphins last year. Yes, Welker lined up in the slot (for the most part) so you could technically call him their third WR, but he was their most effective WR last year. Welker had the most sure hands out of any WR in the starting rotation, and while he didn't break games open with his speed the elusiveness and quickness he possessed made it very hard to cover him. Some teams actually had to double Welker which allowed Chambers more space to work. I also think Welker happens to be a better returner than some think. Miami's first game of the season (against Pit) I thought Welker looked very good, and I couldn't help but say to myself I'd like to see him on the Patriots. I really liked his style of play, and thought he'd fit in perfect with NE. I stopped talking about Welker for a little while because the Dolphins slapped the 2nd round tender on him. I wanted Welker but I didn't think NE would give up a second rounder for him. I'm glad they did though, because I think he'll do very well in this system.

    I have somewhat simular feelings about Chris Davis WR FSU. I think he'd be a pefect late round pick, who is very elusive, finds the hole in zone defenses, runs crisp routes, and has very good hands.
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    I like to think that there is such a thing as a good trade for both teams. Gaining a WR capable of pulling in 60-70 passes, providing excellent KR/PR duties seems like a fair trade for a 2nd & 7th round pick

    Now of course the Dolphins have a stellar history when it comes to judging quality QBs so that's bound to work out well for them too ;)

    (Can our Fin Fans here remind me again of how many draft choices and free agent signings you've traded away and or used for a QB since 2000? My guess is its gotta be pretty close to the equivilent of an ENTIRE draft class - not to mention the salary cap wasted on the failed experiments)
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    Well let's see: His career average is 48 catches, 555 yards and .5 TDs. So that's proabably about what he'll bring to you guys plus 5 yards on every single punt return and 20 yards on every single kick return.
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    This is an excellent reprsentation of the misuse of statistics.
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    I'm still waiting on Aqua4Ever to tell me how many picks the Dolphins have used or traded away to sign QBs and how many QBs have been tried as starters since 2000.

    My prediction is it will be about equal to expending an entire draft on the QB position with absolutely nothing to show for it.
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    See, you think like the Dolphns manager. Instead of thinking, "If we get Welker, what can we expect of him?" you say look at what he did four years ago.

    Your dumb team did the same think with Culpepper, looking at what he used to do instead of what he will likely do, and got screwed.

    Did you learn? Of course not. You are about to do the same thing with Trent Green.

    Not that I am complaining. I like a division rival that keeps shooting itself in the foot.

    With Green, you will have given away high second round picks for AJ Feeley, Dante Culpepper, and Trent Green.

    Total stupidity and mismanagement of the team.

    What's funnier, when a team like the Patriots, who know how to evaluate talent (pay for what he will do, not what he did four years ago) show you how it's done, you aren't smart enough to see the difference.

    I am so glad I'm not a Dolphin fan.
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    He may well not get much more than 600 or so yards for the year - how many of those catches become first downs is all I care about.

    On the returns I'd be willing to be you're wrong as the return game is a LOT more than just the returner.
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    Talking about the "career numbers" of a three-year vet is dumb. He's got a lot of improvement ahead of him:

    YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
    2005 MIA 16 29 434 15.0 47 0 20 0 0
    2006 MIA 16 67 687 10.3 38 1 33 0 0

    That's pretty good improvement between a guy's 1st and 2nd year as a full-time receiver. All with a crappy QB, to boot. Brady? He's a little bit better.
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    You forgot to the add the FG and extra point he kicks every four years.

    Hope that FG is a last second game winner for the Pats in Miami where you're sitting on the 50 yard line with a seat that cost you $500.

    Revenge is a $500 dish best served cold . . . especially in Miami. :bricks:
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    The stats you mention are why I started this thread. Seems like not enough production to justify a 2nd round pick. I'm really interested to see if he can fill the "trusty 3rd down receiver" role that Brown used to fill so well and the Pats found lacking in key games last year.

    The Pats spread the ball around a lot and they have some deep and redzone threats. So if Welker catches 50 passes for 300 yards and no TDs, but converts 30 or so key first downs throughout the year, that sounds just fine to me.

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