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    We're halfway through the week, the trade deadline has passed; isn't it about time to talk about Sunday's game? Even though the Pats won by 59 last week and the next opponent is 0-6, if there is any group of fans that should know they cannot take a win for granted, it should be fans of the Patriots.


    Obviously these are not the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who had one of the most dominating defenses in NFL history when Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks and John Lynch led their team to the 2002 Super Bowl. Anybody else with some insight on Tampa Bay?

    Some Bucs stats:

    Defense
    Yards per Game: 370.2 (27th)
    Yards per Play: 6.0 (31st)
    Points per Game: 28.0 (29th)
    1st Downs per Game: 20.3 (24th)
    3rd Down Percentage: 43% (28th)
    3rd Downs Allowed: 33 (26th)

    Passing Defense
    Yards per Game: 198.5 (11th)
    Yards per Attempt: 8.5 (32nd)
    Completions: 61.5% (21st)
    Touchdowns: 13 (30th)
    Interceptions: 6 (24th)
    20+ yard pass plays: 16 (18th)
    40+ yard pass plays: 8 (32nd)
    Sacks: 10 (23rd)
    Opponent QB Rating: 101.0 (30th)

    Rushing Defense
    Yards per Game: 171.7 (31st)
    Yards per Carry: 4.9 (31st)
    Touchdowns: 6 (24th)
    20+ yard run plays: 7 (28th)


    Offense
    Yards per Game: 277.7 (28th)
    Yards per Play: 4.7 (26th)
    Points per Game: 14.8 (27th)
    1st Downs per Game: 16.0 (27th)
    3rd Down Percentage: 32% (25th)
    3rd Downs Made: 26 (17th)

    Passing Offense
    Yards per Game: 178.2 (22nd)
    Yards per Attempt: 5.4 (30th)
    Completions: 54.1% (28th)
    Touchdowns: 7 (18th)
    Interceptions: 8 (27th)
    20+ yard pass plays: 13 (22nd)
    40+ yard pass plays: 2 (16th)
    Sacked: 12 (17th)
    QB Rating: 64.9 (26th)

    Rushing Offense
    Yards per Game: 99.5 (21st)
    Yards per Carry: 4.4 (9th)
    Touchdowns: 3 (20th)
    20+ yard run plays: 6 (4th)

    Time of Possession: 28:56 (20th)
    Turnover Differential: -1 (16th)
     
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    I'm surprised where they rank in passing yards allowed, actually. Do they have a shutdown corner in the mould of Revis who can chase Moss around pretty decently?
     
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    No. Teams get a lead on them, and the Bucs give up an average of 5 yards per rush. Why pass, just run out the clock and go home.
     
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    There corners are a past his prime Ronde Barber and Aqib Talib, a sophmore CB who's looking pretty good. He had 4 picks in his rookie season and 3 so far this year (All in one game if IIRC).
     
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    so it's possible that Maroney could have another big game this week eh?
     
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    Talib is really, really good. Pretty much everyone else sucks.
     
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    One of the worst defenses in the NFL. Ground defense is swiss cheese. Maroney et alia should truck over these guys. Air defense isn't much better. Throw at anyone besides Talib and you can get big gains, just look at the yards per pass stat.

    I really don't see anything to be scared off except for a 'letdown' game from the Pats. Otherwise our offense should easily score 35+ and come away with the win.
     
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    i dont expect the blowout of last week, but something similar is in line


    and apparently talib is susceptible to double moves....i imagine hell take moss w/ some safety help...

    the most important thing for me is to see how the line run blocks, and how maroney runs again

    on top of that, i need to see what we have going as a 3rd WR, hoping that either if not both of nunn and tate will be active

    and seeing how the TE's do, consiering baker has done crap this season so far, and that watson had a concussion
     
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    Their offense is good but their defense stinks, the one thing we have to watch out for is their ST. Stroughter is a nasty KR. I don't think Smith will be active by Sunday (concussion) so we have to deal with Stroughter.

    They run the classic west coast "start with the run to set up the pass" so I see us staying in the 3-4.

    I do see a blowout if we continue to see what we saw last week: an offense in sync and Brady in a groove.
     
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    Some more Buc facts and trivia:

    Tampa Bay has an all-time franchise winning percentage of .394 (205-316-1); only the Texans (.364) are lower.

    Despite three winning season and two playoff appearances in the last four years, the Bucs fired their head coach (Jon Gruden) and general manager (Bruce Allen) after last season. After week 13 they had beaten the Saints for their 4th straight win and were in position for a first round bye with a 9-3 record. But division rival ran for 299 yards gainst them in the next game, and then they lost to the Falcons by a field goal. The Bucs came back home and they turned the ball over three times in a 17-point loss to the then 6-8 Chargers. Despite the three losses all Tampa Bay had to do was beat the lowly Raiders at home in the last game of the season to secure a playoff spot, but Oakland ran for 192 yards and won 31-24.

    Going back to those last four games of 2008, Tampa Bay has now lost ten in a row. They've been outscored by an average of 29-17 during that span, surrendering an average of 376.5 total yards and 178.6 rushing yards during that time.

    Bucs head coach Raheem Morris is only 33 years old. He once said he learned how to coach by "majoring in Madden" at college. Most of his experience has been as a defensive backs coach; he was a defensive coordinator for just one year - at Kansas State. Originally he had been named the Bucs new DC after Monte Kiffin announced he would be leaving to join his son Lane at the University of Tennessee last year. But right after Morris interviewed for the Denver job, Tampa Bay fired Gruden and gave Morris the HC job. There was some speculation at the time that the Bucs originally wanted to wait a year but got cold feet and thought they would lose Morris, so they overreacted and gave him the job despite no experience as an NFL coordinator. Looks right now like the Broncos made the right decision with their choice for a new head coach.

    Morris was one of three head coaches to fire his offensive coordinator (former BC coach Jeff Jagodzinski) just before the season started. Those three teams - the Bucs, Bills and Chiefs - are a combined 3-15 this year and are collectively averaging about 15.5 points per game.
     
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    Pats vs. Bucs history

    Pats versus Bucs history


    The Bucs have been in the league for 34 years now, but the Pats have only played Tampa Bay on six previous occasions. Contrary to popular belief, the Pats have indeed won in Tampa Bay; the Pats are 4-2 overall against the Bucs and 2-1 in Tampa. However both those wins were at the "Old Sombrero"; the Pats have not yet won at Raymond James Stadium.

    The Pats beat the Bucs 31-14 at their old stadium in the final game of the Bucs' innaugural season of 1976 when they were in the midst of an 0-26 franchise start. Tampa Bay led at halftime but Sam Hunt returned an interception 68 yards for a touchdown to give the Pats the lead for good in the 4th quarter. Andy Johnson also scored two touchdowns for the Pats in what I am guessing was sloppy conditions; the two teams combined for 84 running plays but only 32 passing plays. The Tampa Bay quarterback that day was Steve Spurrier, who was 12/17/145 with 1 TD and 1 INT; it was the final game of his NFL career. The next game the Pats played was the infamous Ben Dreith playoff game against the Raiders.

    The two teams didn't meet again until 1985. By that time the Bucs had gone from being very bad, to a playoff team, and back to being very bad again. The Patriots gave them their 8th straight loss to start the year, en route to a 2-12 season for Tampa Bay. Craig James ran for two touchdowns and threw for another, Tony Collins had 164 yards from scrimmage, and Tony Franklin kicked three field goals for the win in Tampa. The Pats went 11-5 and won their first AFC Championship that year before losing to the Bears in the Super Bowl.

    Three years later was Tampa Bay's first game in Foxboro. On the next to last game of the 1988 season the 4-10 Bucs took the 8-6 Patriots into overtime with the score tied at 7. Tampa Bay won the toss, but Bucs' head coach Ray Perkins elected to kickoff, feeling he could get his team in better field position because the game had been a defensive battle all day long. The Pats got the ball, Tony Eason marched the team down the field, and Jason Staurovsky kicked a 27 yard field goal for the 10-7 win - with Tampa Bay never getting their hands on the ball in overtime. However, the Pats missed the playoffs when they lost at Denver the next week. Perkins was fired a year later but became the Pats offensive coordinator for Bill Parcells from 1993-1996.

    Once again it was nine years before the Pats played the Bucs. The 1997 game was held in Tampa and the Bucs got their first win over the Pats, 27-7. The Pats could get nothing done on offense, finishing with just 10 first downs, 168 total yards of offense, three turnovers and were sacked five times. That season was the turning point for their franchise; their defense, led by Warren Sapp, shocked the 49ers in the season opener and started the year with five straight wins. They finished 10-6 in Tony Dungy's second season as a head coach and the team won their first playoff game in 18 years, and only the second in franchise history. The Pats also finished 10-6 that year, beating the Dolphins and then losing to the Steelers in the playoffs.

    Three years later the two teams met on opening day of the 2000 season in Foxboro, with Tampa Bay winning 21-16. Troy Brown scored on a 66 yard punt return and a 39-yard TD from Drew Bledsoe to Terry Glenn in the 4th quarter made the final score close, but again it was Tampa Bay's defense that won the game; Bledsoe was sacked for a loss six times in Bill Belichick's first game as head coach of the Patriots. The Pats finished 5-11 while the Bucs were one-and-done in the playoffs, losing (as they often did during Dungy's tenure) to the Eagles.

    The last time the two teams met was in week 15 of 2005. The Pats won 28-0 in a game in Foxboro that was never very close - perhaps due in part to Tampa Bay not enjoying the weather in New England in December. Corey Dillon scored on two short runs and Tom Ashworth caught a one-yard pass from Tom Brady, but the real story was the Pats defense. Bucs QB Chris Simms was sacked seven times, while the Pats limited Tampa Bay to 12 first downs, 30 yards rushing on 18 attempts, and just 138 total yards of offense. The Pats went on to beat Jacksonville before losing at Denver in the playoffs that year, while the Bucs lost to the Redskins in the wildcard round; their 11-5 record from that season now being just a distant memory to Buc fans.
     
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    New England vs. Tampa Bay

    NFL capsules: New England vs Tampa Bay via WEEI


    Patriots-Buccaneers preview via WEEI


    Head to Head analysis via WEEI

    Buccaneer opponents are averaging over 8 yards per play, and 28 points per game.
     
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    Views from the other side of the pond

    Views from the other side of the pond


    Morris: Bucs mean business by Sky Sports

    Tampa out to enjoy a Bucs party in London by the Belfast Telegraph
     
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    Views from two Buc fans/bloggers

    Patriots Daily talks with two Tampa Bay fans and bloggers about Sunday's game. Some interesting discussion about what's gone wrong with their team - as well as some talk about Joey Galloway and why he didn't work out for the Pats.

     
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    First Impressions

    First Impressions - the Tampa Bay Buccaneers by Greg Doyle of Patriots Daily
     
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    Week 7 Facts and Trivia, Pats vs Buccaneers

    A ton of facts and trivia for Sunday's game in this week's Nuggetpalooza by Gary Marbry of WEEI, such as:

    • Tampa Bay has lost the last five times they have scored 20 or more points
    • The Pats have won 33 of the last 34 games they have scored 20 or more points
    • Tampa Bay has allowed 93 second half points this season, tied for worst in the NFL
    • Tampa Bay has allowed 56 points this season (9+ per game) on drives of fewer than four plays. By comparison the Pats have given up 7 points on those "quick drives".
    • Tampa Bay's offense ranks 28th in completion percentage, 30th in yards per pass attempt, and 31st in passing 1st down percentage.
    • The Pats' pass defense ranks 9th in yards allowed per attempt, and 4th in fewest pass plays of 25+ yards allowed (5).
    • The Pats' defense has allowed only one rushing touchdown this year.
     
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    Five Things To Watch For Sunday Afternoon

    Christopher Price of WEEI lists his Five Things To Watch For Sunday Afternoon as being Adalius Thomas, Laurence Maroney, The Number 3 Receiver, Goin' Deep, and Playing In A Foreign Environment.

    Chris writes about Adalius Thomas here:
     
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    I think it's worth noting that other than the four players who didn't play, the entire PS went along and no dinged up player is listed as worse than 50-50. Not that it would surprise me to see a "doubtful" player stay home, but it surprises me that even Butler, who didn't practice, is listed with a 50% chance of playing.
     
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