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    Nice article Chris
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    Nice article. He might have been the toughest player I've ever seen, maybe even to the detriment of his overall career/health. It was just crazy the kind of injuries that he would play through year after year.
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    I have to disagree with McNair's so called legacy of toughness. McNair to me was a guy who was ALWAYS hurt or had some issue. There are other QB's who have played in the NFL who have taken worse shots than him and have played just as long as him. If you keep putting it out there about the injuries, then the press so going to run with it.

    I seen Aikman and Young take some knock out hits and you don't see the same title of being tough linked to their names because they didn't use it as a crutch.

    The guy who could use the injury crutch should be Eddie George. He was the guy who took the punishment for that team.
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    Good article Chris. McNair was one of those QBs in the 90's that paved the way for other African-American/Black QBs in the future. He is a tough warrior. I say that he should go to the HOF. IMO, I think Kazemi killed McNair and then took it out on herself. Maybe not true, but could be. That woman and her previous DUI arrest or whatever (I may be wrong) gave me a forewarning of what was gonna unfold. McNair's wife knew his husband wouldn't and shouldn't have made a mistake like that by spending time with another uncivilized woman. REST IN PEACE MCNAIR. My deepest condolences to the NFL, the Titans and the Ravens organizations, and McNair's family.
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    When did McNair ever use his injuries as a crutch?
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    Both Mcnair, and George took a beating. Maybe we werent watching the same games :rolleyes:

    McNair went an entire season without practicing because he was in so much pain. Come sunday, he was on the field. He never used it as an excuse. He was a tough s.o.b.
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    I always seen him as a squeeky wheel. His injuries were way overhyped, you expected him to get a purple heart or something. Mcnairs legacy is "aint he that football player who was murdered cheating on his wife and four kids?" Just like David Carradines legacy has changed upon his death. They should use Mcnair as a scare tactic at the rookie symposium.
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    nice. Thanks for bringing some intelligence to the board :rolleyes:
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    True, when you get murdered generally that does tend to end up being what people remember first. I assumed we were talking about his football legacy, though.
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    WE are. APV just likes to shoot off his mouth without knowing the facts.
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    Nice article Chris, I'd say leadership was also a big part of his legacy. He seemed like he was always there as you say in your article even when injured he would be on the sideline and telling the other guys to bring it.

    He was a fantastic scrambler, so exciting to watch.

    It really did hit me when I heard the news. I mean we had a lot of famous people die in the last short while but for some reason Steve McNair's death got to me. I guess it was the fact that I seen him as a fighter and a comeback guy and you just don't expect a man who was like that to lose his life that way.
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    Speaking strictly football (there's another thread in the political forum for "other") the guy was a warrior. LOL, concerning Aikman. I lived in Dallas during the Aikman years, and he did take some hits, but he is not even close to being in the McNair category of pain management.
    Remember the Pats had to play back to back games against the co-MVP's? The Pats won because of their greatness, not for any lack of effort by McNair.
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    What facts did I miss?
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    I still say his football legacy is way overdone. I suspect that most players play every week with one ailment or the other. He seemed to be the little kid who covered himself in band-aids for attention. Wanna know who I think is tough? Course you do if you are reading this you must value my opinion. Wait for it....Brady. Why Brady you say? But the media doesnt say that! You say. Two Words...Sports frickin hernia...He had it we didnt know it. Handled it after the season. This was the same year the media was gushing over Mcnabb and his toughness(he soon went down for the season as well). I think we all know Tom had a broken foot against the giants as well.
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    Not just saying this because he just passed, but he was always one of the harder guys to root against.
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    Brady? McNair was a qb who used his arm and legs. Any qb that runs the ball during their career will take more hits, and bigger hits then a pocket qb. Not sure what your bias is against McNair, but he will go down as one of the toughest qb's to play the game.
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    Not sure what your bias against Brady is. So its tougher to run? No wrong Its tougher to stay in that pocket and get hit throwing not scrambling and running out of bounds. Bradys tough like Lee Van Cleef. He doesnt have to constantly tell you hes a bad ass. Brady has hid more injuries than Mcnair ever really had. That is an ESPN creation.
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    Just so we are straight on this. Your saying a pocket qb will receive bigger hits because he stands in the pocket.
    So, how many times will a LB or CB break free untouched to sack the QB?
    Now, how many times will a running QB get hit in the open field without his blockers? Oh BTW, McNair would go for the extra yardage rather then slide or run OB.
    I don't ever remember McNair complaining about his injuries. In the article, the author called him a bad-ass, it wasn't first person.
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    After all, I take Pocket-QBs over Playmaker-QBs but that's the way McNair played the game.
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    I would say Brady gets hit way more and is more often hit in a defenseless position i.e. throwing the ball. Sacks aint the only time Brady is getting hit. To my other point how did we know every injury Mcnair had? We heard every little bump or scratch. Thats why I say he was a squeaky wheel. If he was so tough me you and ESPN would never have heard about it.
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    APV,

    I agree with you on the point that Brady is one tough SOB and has taken more punishment than people realize (even minus the knee injury last year.)

    But cmon man do you remember watching McNair play football? That guy was the QB version of Walter Payton, never trying to run away from contact, always creating contact. He took some brutal hits in his career to the point where he needed the full week of practice to heal himself for next sunday. Career wise that may not have been smart long term (he was pretty much done by his early 30s) but thats the way he had to play to make his team successful since he didnt have the best weapons on those tennessee teams.

    McNair was a tough SOB whose legacy is two fold: remembered now for dying too soon and football wise as one of the toughest competitors to ever play the game.
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    Think about that for a moment though. He was so tough he missed practice and still played? Whoa impressive. Maybe just maybe he didnt want to practice. ala Plexiglass Bareass? Just saying
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    You would think that after the fallout with tennessee towards the end of McNairs career to the time until his retirement, some teammate, coach, GM, somebody would comment on your opinion that McNair just didnt want to practice and that he wasnt hurt enough to miss practice. But Everything ive heard says that he was tough as nails, and players loved to have him on their side every sunday.

    Just because many of brady's injuries werent brought up (could be because BB didnt really like to disclose injuries to the media) and more of McNair and McNabbs injuries were talked about doesnt mean theyre less tough. Lets just end this discussion and say that they were both tough.
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    It would be nice if you would provide some facts to back up your incredibly dumb comments :D
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    Or what it probably means is that he was being absolutely loaded up with cortisone shots and painkillers just so that he could pull himself together and get his body out onto the field on gameday. If you did that for practice as well, you'd be in the hospital in a matter of days.

    He's far from the only guy to do it. Don't you find it at all strange how often guys are down for the count on Sunday, miss an entire week's worth of practices, but then suddenly they're good to go the following Sunday? Hell, a lot of the time it doesn't even take that long. You see a guy limp off to the locker room in the first half, barely able to walk, then at the start of the second half he sprints back out with his teammates. Hmmm, what could that be about? Maybe they have a faith healer performing miracles in the locker room?

    Of course not, and it's destructive as hell- these guys are in tremendous amounts of pain for a reason, and to dose them up and send them out onto the field just destroys their bodies. McNair just took it to an entirely new, selfless (and unbelievably shortsighted), and tough extreme. The guy was a warrior, and insisting otherwise is just ignoring the testaments of everyone who worked with or around him in any capacity because you've decided not to like the guy.

    If you want to argue that he was getting hurt as much as he was because his conditioning wasn't necessarily the best, there were whispers about that for a while while he was with the Titans. Even that was largely understandable, though, since he spent so much time recovering from his injuries and presumably having god knows how many unreported offseason surgeries that I'm sure he had to be off his feet a ton.
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    After a few seasons, Bill Russell never practiced with the Celtics. Was he a slacker too?
    In regards to your comment about McNair running out of bounds, he is fifth on the all-time rushing qb's list. I'm guessing he is not as elusive as the four in front of him (Cunningham, Young, Vick, Tarkenton), thus was hit more often. So he ran out of bounds alot, yet still managed to put up those rushing numbers?
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    Seems so huh?
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    That would be a bit hard..but you can ask....THAT would be interesting if he could find some. I especially wish to see the ones about injuries...you know he's a doctor as well..so..maybe some can be found.
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    It would be nice if you could understand them.:D
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