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  1. IcyPatriot

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    Can we please leave the discussion of gun control out of the school thread?

    One thing I would like to say is that night clubs and busy bars across the country sweep people for weapons when they enter the building. Is it time for schools to have a security person at the door to sweep visitors with a scanner ... similar to what is done in most or all court buildings? Even if it costs a state $1 million or several million it would be worth the one or more lives it saved.
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    Yeah and he would have shot the security guard who was checking. Law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry guns in and near schools.
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    That last sentence is a catchy cliche, but what about the non-law abiding ones?

    How are you going to know, until it's too late?
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    That is actually a crime ... even people who have concealed weapon permits are not allowed to carry in government buildings or on their property ... you can be arrested for it. Actually a security officer checking people in front of a locked door would buy possible victims time and the police time to get there.
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    Yeah, thanks I knew that....and how did that law work today?

    Guns weren't "allowed" in the Aurora, CO movie theater and guns weren't "allowed" at this school. So much for gun legislation.
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    You can be arrested for even carrying a weapon into a post office with permit.
    I have a permit but I don't carry much anymore ... always left it home when going to government buildings.
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    That's why it's important that law abiding citizens have guns so that when criminals use their weapons, they can protect themselves.
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    Need more security ... the court buildings have it.
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    So you're going to have 10 security guards at every location where people gather?

    So every Mall, every nursery school, ever little league game, every hockey game, every chucky cheese......please.....lol.
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    I was talking about schools ... I said one security officer and you go dramatic to prove a point.
    why do you change what people say in their posts?

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    My point was that what's the difference where it happens. Children gather at little league games...children gather at chucky cheese....children gather at the mall. If someone wants to hurt children, do you think they'll stop because schools are "protected"?

    They'll either wait until security is vulnerable or they'll find a softer target.
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    I don't know if you have kids or not so I will talk generically...

    There is a huge difference to parents because you are not and cannot be there to protect them. School security is a huge topic to parents from violence to germ control ... it's a parenting thing where you feel helpless.

    As to your statement ... well yes they will find softer targets ... people kill people not guns and I agree with that. for the most part many of these people are cowards and the guns empower them.

    I have a permit and have had one for many years though I seldom carry anymore. Yes ... they are a huge deterrence to crime. I think government buildings should have security as much as possible - people will accept that in such a place.
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    One new law that we need (at least it seems is obvious to me) is one that bans all video game where one can shoot people.

    That one seems more obvious than any new law on guns. Let's start with the obvious.
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    Ask most Americans why they have a gun and their response will generally be "to protect myself".... which is fair enough. If guns were illegal, then there would be less of a need to have a gun to protect yourself. Obviously it's not as simple as that, because folk who wanted guns could still get them one way or another, but people would be a lot safer in general. There is even shootings like this in Britain on occasion, where the gun control is much stricter than America.

    Banning all types of guns isn't going to stop shootings like this straight away (nothing is), but it would be a start.

    Look at the guy in China today, he injured 22 kids with a knife. Probably similar to what happened here. He snapped for whatever reason and decided to start attacking people. If he had a gun, then there would have been multiple deaths and probably a lot more injuries. In the Connecticut case, if the guy only had a knife he probably wouldn't have killed anyone, certainly not 27 people.

    These shootings happen way too often. Obviously there is no way you will stop them completely - look at Britain; Derrick Bird, Thomas Hamilton etc. Difference between America and Britain is, these tragedies happen once or twice a year in America... in Britain and other countries with much stricter gun control, they happen once or twice a decade.
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    PR we were playing cowboys and indians, crooks and police, Americans vs Germans with air rifles and cap guns when I was a kid. Actually running around our neighborhoods with fake weapons ... that is not the issue IMO.

    I do think there needs to be an assault rifle ban, illegal to own them and those gun shows need to be clipped.
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    The blowhard is already at work ...

    Doesn't he understand that rhetoric does not solve issues ... it creates divides.

    Left Mobilizes to Politicize School Shooting - The Rush Limbaugh Show

    It sounds it because it is Rush and you're not helping either ... are you?
    Instead of discussing the topic you are discussing the discussers .... FAIL :bricks:
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    this problem is not really about guns

    our society is breeding a real ugly form of malcontent.

    we are not talking about actions that will change because of a law

    when the guy makes a fertilizer/diesel bomb, are we going to ban those too?
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    How do you not see the irony here, given that you started this thread? I came over to see if there was a thread like this going, and of course there is.
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    I'm in favor of people in America owning weapons. It's already illegal to own an automatic weapon.

    A semi-automatic means you have to squeeze the trigger every time you shoot. I would support a banning on clips over 10 shots. I don't think that there is an need for 20 or 30 rounds clips.

    I doubt if banning anything will keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Maybe keeping the clips down to 10, may help some cases.
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    Discussing an issue is what people do to make sense of tragedy and possibly find solutions.

    Pointing fingers and inflaming a topic with rhetoric solves nothing.

    I opened the thread to keep the discussion out of the victims thread ... and it has.
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    I can't stand the man, but he's right. The first thing I saw on the new tonight, was the gun rights and controls issue being raised. MSNBC was going there this afternoon. It's unavoidable when things like this happen. In part because of the tragedy itself, and the emotions it brings, but also because "you should never let a crisis go to waste" (or however it was put).

    Bingo. There was a need to start a thread on it in here, but a pundit warning about what's coming is a "blowhard" for bringing it up.
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    guys remember the shooter is a 20 year old boy, who by law can't operate or own a weapon, he stole it from his mother, ILLEGALLY. This is a case where legal citizens has no guns to protect themselves from criminals that has guns. Also I agree with the problem here is not about guns, it's about our society, bans all guns we will still have guys knifing every kids like the China man did, and I think we will still be in shock if that happened, regardless how many kids died or wounded. We really need to look into ourselves and fix this society. I personally do put a lot blame on the pop media, the 90's kids grow up watching Jersey shores and Kim K stories, playing call of duties everyday sure will grow whatever we think they are, right?
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    Quit pretending you're discussing anything of substance. You're blaming guns, which is nothing more than blaming the tool instead of the perpetrator. That's probably the least substantive discussion that can be had with regards to human violence and murder.

    And what Limbaugh said is true, and was being validated even while he was still on the air. You chose to ignore that and to instead go for the personal attack on him.
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    You need to read the thread Deus ... and try again. :bricks:

    I am a gun owner and I have a permit to carry ... so your wrong ... try reading again.

    I also state in the thread people kill people ... not guns.

    I support the right to carry guns ... fail on your part.

    As for Limbaugh discuss the issue instead of attacking the messenger ...
    I stand by that for him and anyone who chooses attacking the messenger over discussing the issue.
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    Thats false.

    The only person who wouldnt have a firearm is the one who respects the law and doesnt want to spend part of their life sitting behind bars. Criminals dont care how many new gun laws are created. They dont fear the police, prison or death and will always find a way to possess a gun. Look at Chicago, Illinois has some of the toughest gun laws in the country and every weekend dozens are shot in Chicago.

    Before you say "All guns would gone." No, they wouldnt. Look at the amount of cocaine and marijuana that makes it way into this country every year despite the millions of dollars being spent to curtail the flow across our borders. Guns would be smuggled into this country the same way.
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    Should we consider placing police in our schools? God, I hope no one is thinking like that.

    The answer is, no, we should not.
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    I read the thread, twice, before posting. What I posted was entirely appropriate in response to your posts. When you talk about things like having scanners for guns, you are blaming the gun instead of the perpetrator. People don't need guns to kill other people. On the other hand, U.S. military bases are stocked to the rafters with guns, yet we aren't having daily "mass murder" incidents there.

    And your response about Limbaugh here is a silly one which does nothing more than say "I can call Limbaugh names because he's a poopyhead who takes the exact same approach that I do.".
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    Again, you seem to have an uncanny knack of instantly recognizing who is a "law abiding" citizen and who isn't.

    Do you know whether today's mass murderer was a "law abiding citizen" until 9:29am?
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    Typical of you ... whatever.

    I stand by what i said of him and anyone who points fingers.

    People have a right to their opinions ... discuss the topic not the discussers it solves nothing and it creates a dividing wall to proper discussion of any topic. many times several opinions can be correct which is why finger pointing is pointless.

    Rush has many listeners ... why not bring up an adult discussion of the topic instead of inflaming his audience to boost ratings. I'm no liberal and i'm right of center ... he sickens me with his rhetoric for monetary gains.

    he'll boost his ratings thanks to this tragedy ... and he won't care if he did he wouldn't do it.
    ESPN has informed all their anchors to treat the tragedy with proper respect ... Rush could wait also.
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