We Should Fly the Black Flag and Change our team Colors

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  1. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    We are the raiders. We aren't the yankees. We are way beyond that.

    We don't care about sportmanship. We care about winning. If we break rules and caught, we will own up to it and pay our penalties. We don't care what anyone thinks. We are proud, load and arrogant. We have the right. We are the best there is.

    And we are surprised when the media and others are negative toward us. Why can't they all just accept hjow great we are? Anyone who disagrees with us is an idiot. We should tear down the CBA and NFL because we were punished.

    We are NOT America's team. We cannot be. We are Boston fans. We are not Dallas. We are San Francisco. We are not Pittsburgh. We are not Indy. We are not Chicago. In 2003 and 2004 we were becoming America's team, but we couldn't stand it.

    We are Boston and stick to anyone who doen't think that we the greatest on the face of the earth.

    I am embarrassed with us. We cannot even begin to consider it looks to be proud about breaking the rules. We cannot even begin to consider how this looks to those who don't live in Boston. I thought that I had seen it all when I saw our reaction to Harrison's suspension. I thought that perhaps that wasn't the real Boston fan. I was wrong. We are Boston fans. We want to win and nothing else matters.

    Let Kraft make whatever statements he needs to make, and let's move on to football. He is the best owner in sports today, and runs the best organization.
  2. sieglo

    sieglo In the Starting Line-Up

    Uhhh, okay. Whatever man.
  3. patsox23

    patsox23 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    mgteich, we GET. The POINT. I'm so tired of your b!tching and whining on here. Give it a rest.
  4. PonyExpress

    PonyExpress In the Starting Line-Up

    You're a righteous prophet distilling wisdom for the masses. If only we could see through your emerald green glasses.
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  5. PATSNUTme

    PATSNUTme Paranoid Homer Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    #75 Jersey

    Correction! We are New England. That is the name of the team. I don't live in Boston or Mass.

    I'm also not the least bit ashamed of this team. If others are, put a paper bag over your head.


    #12 Jersey

    Mgteich - If you are ashamed of the team and embarrased to be a fan right now then at least hand in your moderator duties and give it to a fan still proud in here.

    Someone will take it if you think bad on the team now.

    I live in Pa I still am a fan - not just for those in Boston or areas nearby - get your facts straight dude,just because you don't live in Boston does not mean you think the Patirots are scum now.
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  7. PonyExpress

    PonyExpress In the Starting Line-Up

    mgteich is a moral voice in the wilderness, crying out to wayward children. We are blind to his virtue and wisdom. If only we could see the light of truth from this prophet.
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  8. ayjackson

    ayjackson Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Let's just run the fcuking table!!
  9. Patriot_in_NY

    Patriot_in_NY Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Thank you............... go cheer for someone else then. NOEONE WILL CARE.
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  10. patman12

    patman12 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    #12 Jersey

    Can you have someone change your diaper and put you down for a nap?
  11. moosekill

    moosekill Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    I guess anyone can be a moderator on this site.
  12. Armen Da Pats Fan

    Armen Da Pats Fan 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    #87 Jersey

    You're gahdahm right!
  13. JR4

    JR4 In the Starting Line-up PatsFans.com Supporter

    I think you may be buying into the media hype going on and the
    tons of jealous lynch mobsters out there.

    Acutally Belichick may have been right but the Comish was really being pushed into this outcome.

    Here a response from a JETs fan who also a Tax Lawyer
    The argument, I take it, is that (1) the rule's reference to "a game" is the SAME game in which the taping occurs, and (2) so long as the information is not used during such game the gathering of such information is not prohibited.

    I actually don't think it's that absurd an interpretation. Indeed, that's the kind of distinction on which many tax positions (I'm a tax lawyer) are based. Indeed, it's interesting to note that the rule only applies to a game in which the team gathering the information is a participant. Presumably it's clear that the rule is not violated if the Pats send an assistant to a Jets-Ravens game and videotape the Jets coaches relaying signals for use in a later game. So, this supports the conclusion that the rule was designed solely to prevent teams from using certain devices to gather information to gain a SAME-GAME advantage.

    The real focus, I think, should be on the term "might". The rule prohibits the use of certain devices to gather information that "might" be used to gain an advantage during the game. The Pats presumably contend that, because they didn't actually gain such a same-game advantage, the rule wasn't broken. (Whether they actually did get such an advantage is unknowable, but the Commissioner can't assume they did.) I think the Commissioner properly took the view that the rule is designed to prevent the gathering of information (through certain devices) that potentially COULD be used for a same-game advantage and that the rule was drafted in this way so that it would not be necessary to resolve the difficult factual question of how, and when, a team actually used the information.

    Nevertheless, it is not all that outlandish for the Pats to take the position that the rule is ambiguous and, therefore, pending clarification, they should not be punished for taking a reasonable view.

    (Of course, if the Pats actually gained a same-game advantage, there's no interpretation that could help them. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did; but since I understand that hasn't been proven, it's not appropriate to simply assume it.)

    And for anyone here who thinks I have some obligation to take the party line, or "get their back", or not side with "them" against "us", sorry: I have the right to offer my honest opinion.

  14. Grizzafted

    Grizzafted Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Yeah, f*cking enough already. You're being way oversensitive about this. You act like Brady was paying refs or something.

    According to Belichick they never even used the film in-game.
  15. Stop Being A Jerk

    Stop Being A Jerk On the Game Day Roster

    First, I don't think many people are saying that the Patriots didn't do anything wrong and shouldn't have been punished. That's all obvious and anyone denying it probably isn't thinking clearly.

    But I think it's just as obvious that the media and bloggers and so on are piling on because they hate the Patriots and Belichick. It's obvious particularly because of the punishments they recommend, apparently in earnest. What they're asking for is like recommending life in prison for someone convicted of stealing cable. The reaction to this (e.g. calling for asterisks, forfeits, etc.) is not in keeping with the severity of the crime. Not even close.

    There are only two explanations: they're actually stupid enough to believe what they say; or Patriots-haters are trying to tear down a team they despise. I think it's the latter. And I don't want to say that, because it sounds like excuse-mongering at its worst. But it's not. Not in this case. Because what else is there? The seriousness of this infraction is so overblown, for so many obvious reasons, that their stubbornly-held convictions border on inanity. When presented with these reasons, as we Pats fans have done, fruitlessly, along with a handful of others who have the ability to separate what they wish from what is right, I imagine these Patriot-haters, their collective fingers stuck in their ears, singing proudly, "La la la la la I can't hear you!"

    And every player on every team that has ever lost to the Pats is going right along with it, still looking for any excuse they can find for losing over and over again to that "talentless" team. That's the worst part. It gives this whole farce a certain level of veracity that wouldn't otherwise be there were it just the media and no-nothing fans spouting off as is their custom. The players know it's not as big a deal as it's being made out to be. Their teams are probably guilty of it. But they also know that the fans and media will lap it up like sick dogs lap up foetid water. And that, in turn, will take some of the blame off them (blame laid there, by the way, by the very same media and fans, who are unwilling to believe that a team with one Pro-Bowler could possibly beat them without cheating). Players love when the blame is taken off of them. So these cowards, who didn't claim any cheating previously, pretend to jump on the already crowded Pats-hating bandwagon, baiting fans and media alike, then snicker to each other as soon as the microphone is taken away.

    I'm embarrassed. I'm mad because this has given people something legitimate to hate about the Patriots. I'm mad because, whether we like it or not, the media and players and all the way down to internet posters (who, you can be sure, will never let this go), are going to make sure that this stays around; are going to make well and truly sure this is a big enough story that the legacy of this team is permanently tainted. They don't like that Belichick doesn't answer stupid questions. That the Patriots don't fit in with their flashy (in the case of the media), arrogant (players) or fantasy football-bred (internet posters) ideals for what a football team should be. It might be funny if it didn't have a real-world effect on real people, most importantly on the players who worked their asses off to accomplish what they have. As it stands, though, it's mostly petty and pathetic, three groups of individuals teaming up to find their various forms of vengeance. Whether the Patriots beat their team or wouldn't give the juicy story that reporters these days seem to rely on in place of insightful journalism, they all have their motives. And due to the unique setup of pissed-off fans, media and players, they all feed each other like symbiots, giving each other courage and reassurance to say something even more ridiculous.

    Personally, I think the punishment given was about right. Maybe a bit harsh, but there was a warning about this very thing before the start of the season and Goodell is known for being a ball-breaker. I'm sure both those factors had some effect. The bottom line is I can accept it.

    Mostly this whole thing is a shame. For the Patriots' sake, the Krafts', for Belichicks' and his players, for the fans. Because it didn't need to happen. It especially didn't need to happen this season, after the warning had been given and while the Patriots have their best team ever, looking to further their legacy as one of the the league's greatest ever dynasties. Instead we've given the media, that entity which loves to tear down, and the fans, who only like to read about people being torn down, the very thing they've been looking for all along.
  16. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Please stop proselytizing. You sound like an idiot.

    We're not proud of the situation, but we also have some perspective on it. It's about a video camera, not the Lindbergh baby.
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  17. Pats726

    Pats726 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Fly the black flag if you please...whatever...
  18. Armen Da Pats Fan

    Armen Da Pats Fan 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    #87 Jersey

    You're gahdahm right!
  19. Armen Da Pats Fan

    Armen Da Pats Fan 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    #87 Jersey


    Great tragedies in US modern history:

    1) 09/11
    2) The Civil War
    3) Kennedy assasination
    4) Serial killers
    5) Bill Belichick's fall from the pedastal
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  20. primetime

    primetime Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    #18 Jersey

    I think in the grand scheme of things, the Civil War and slavery were a little higher on the tragedy scale than 9/11. But this Belichick scandal outpaces them all.
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