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  1. ALP

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    has anyone noticed this? even this yr with a great core of LB's, we still need a great amount of ILB's...

    i mean, colvin is outside
    AD SHOULD be outside...
    brushi is prob gone after this season
    same for seau,
    and vrabel can, but SHOULD be outside, where he currently is...

    and colvin istn doin all that great if u ask me...
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    Not really sure who's left, but what's the status on some of the young guys
    -Pierre Woods?
    -Jason Alexander(is he injured?)
    -Corey Mays(is he still on the roster?)
    -Oscar Lua(IR..I think?)
    -Any others?
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    They'll need some help in the draft and have to sign some veterans.

    Colvin will probably be cut next year, he's just not worth 7M or whatever he gets. Bruschi and Seau will probably be gone, like you said. I think at this point Woods could play better than Colvin.

    They ran right at Colvin last game and on one play he couldn't get off his block and it went for about 15 yards. Great. That and no sacks, what exactly does he do out there? Got his thumb up his butt if you ask me.
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    1. OLB/DE convert (I think)
    2. Apparently
    3. Cinci, last i heard
    4. Yeah IR
    5. They are using A.D. there mostly with the AARP platoon of Bruschi Seau.
    Nothing else I know of.
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    No need for that here. Teams run right at Colvin, he hasn't been able to pressure the QB as much as he should be, but what are you comparing Woods is better to - his special teams play, the garbage time he gets at the end of the blow outs to date?
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    I'm saying the team is better off with Woods plus 7M of cap space spent somewhere else (next year) than with Colvin. Too late to make a change this year, but next year I don't think he'll be here.

    Was Wilson better than Milloy when he got cut? No, they just didn't feel like paying Milloy top $ when he wasn't worth it. :mad:
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    Colvin was playing very good until he got hurt.
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    What is with the hate for colvin?
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    I thought so too. He was the defensive star in some early games. What's his injury, do you know?
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    Same story every year, 08 looks to the changing of the guard. For 07 our playoffs chances will be damaged if we lose 2 of the big 5 (Vrabel, Colvin, Bruschi, Seau, Thomas). Lets hope these old guys can stay on the field. With some of the special teamers being banged up (Alexander, Mitchell, etc.), more regulars will have to play on special teams, which could result in more injuries.

    08 - Everyone loves the underdog, Woods is an undrafted player who can contribute on special teams. Not sure I want to see him starting especially with two quality LBs (Seau, Bruschi) leaving. At least with Vrabel, Colvin, Thomas, Alexander, Woods, Lua there is a foundation. Add a starting quality ILB and we are back in business.
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    Man that escalated quickly!


    Anyway, I think teams run at Colvin b/c that's the side Green has been on. Colvin was playing great until he got hurt, and he has played great the last few seasons.
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    Tweeked an ankle in the prior game. He's otherwise having a very good year and they will likely extend him (in part just to piss mcbee off) which will cut his cap hit in half next season. I wouldn't be surprised to see either Bruschi or Seau remain as roll players. Tedy, contrary to popular opinion, is playing pretty well this season and Junior is having his best season in nearly a decade...

    mcbee on the other hand is just a venom spewing stealth troll wannabe who should be cut or at least restricted to the visitors locker room.
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    I'm just trying to help the discussion along.

    Maybe Colvin was good before his "injury"...maybe I just didn't notice. If you can't contain the run as an OLB, you're not doing too well in the coach's eyes. And he has a habit of taking a meat cleaver to high priced veterans. We'll see.

    When does Woods get a chance to play to see what he can do? By the time he's getting playing time he'll be an UFA the next year.
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    That is reason enough (I agree with your assessment). I also think they extend him, mostly because how can they not? They still haven't developed any young LBs. (Not knocking Woods and Alexander, but it's different being in the lineup, so they're still "?").

    I have to disagree with your assessment on Bruschi and Seau. I'm sure I heard bones creak when we went into the 1 lineman defense against Dallas.

    We're walking a tightrope at LB, in my opinion and we fell off during the championship game last year.

    I think they're playing OK overall, but they're both deep into their personal 4th quarter and father time hasn't lost a game yet.:(
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    Junior Seau is a freak of nature, BTW. He looks like a rookie energy wise.

    My impression of Bruschi is that he's tired. He looks like his travails have exacted a price.
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    I hardly think Colvin "sucks." He's been pretty solid in my book.

    As far as ILB's go, this year is a great year to draft an ILB - lots of good ones out in the college ranks. Question is will Bill go for a rookie ILB over a free agent veteran?
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    junior IS a freak of nature...

    and it might just be me, but i didnt notice colvin come up big last season either...i just dont think he is as good as the rest of our LB's, disregarding age...

    but if i had a choice, i would rather keep colvin and draft an ILB, then let go of colvin, and have to draft both...

    (7M for colvin? i DEFENETELY dont think he is worth that much...paycut soon?)
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    wut ILB are gonna be free agents after the season?
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    That's not what you said. You said Woods could unequivocally play better than Colvin. That is, without a doubt, untrue.
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    Hmm, you think zack thomas will get cut in Miami after this year? My guess it he'll want out, especially if JT leaves, and playing on a great team like that Pats tends to rejuvenate players(see Harrison, seau).
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    Colvin has been getting the double teams that Seymour usually gets.. Also, while you claim that Colvin couldn't get off the block, you fail to acknowledge that the guy blocking him did a tremendous job...

    McBee.. You are always the leader of the "Cry Wolf" crowd... You need to just shut up for once.
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    dang, i had rather we look elsewhere...i mean...how old is zack? and isnt hes concussion prone too now...i had rather we take a diffrent road...

    if u think back bruschi and ted johnson were both second day draft picks by the pats...why not repeat the rotation today?
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    I wouldn't mind seeing Zach in a Patriots uniform. He's a tackle machine!
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    Here's my thoughts...

    1. Colvin's playing great. He always does. It's not just about making "big" plays. He's solid every down and he does alot of little things like disrupting the pass.

    2. I'm more worried about Hobbs, who's one of my favorite Pats. But it seems like the bigger receivers run him right over. If T.O. didn't have such bad hands, we'd have been in trouble in the Dallas game.

    3. I would take Z. Thomas or J. Taylor without blinking. There's a role for either of those guys. (It might not be every down, but definitely a role is there.) I also hope this Westbrook thing continues to be a problem in Philly. Maybe he's still in touch with Stallworth? We do need more RB depth, apparently.
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    Well, so far it's pretty obvious that Belichick doesn't draft linebackers in the higher rounds... he likes to get his linebackers from other teams.

    He likes to convert defensive ends into linebackers... which is a pretty good idea really.

    I like Colvin, but he prolly should take a reasonable pay cut. $7m is pretty steep.

    Seau is in awesome shape for his age. WOW...

    I love Bruschi, but he is starting to show some age.
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    No. His career has not been the same since Seinfeld, but I don't think's due to injury.
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    :)

    Yeah, on the other hand, Eric Alexander has been trying to redeem himself for his AFCCG performance, but has a knee injury.
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    Colvin, has played well here when he hasn't been hurt, but there lies the problem. I really like Colvin, but since his hip injury, hehasn't been worth the 7 mill. I agree with those who said the pats should extend him to cut down his overall cap hit, because he is more worth the price. I still think his is better than any of the youngers guys ever will be, but I hope I am wrong.
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    Way too small. Our LBs have to shuck off OLinemen.
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    If by that you mean both first day, you are correct. TJ round two, Tedy round 3.
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