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    I saw it ... I clicked it ... and i agree with Marc Cooper.

    So I'll post it ... I'm a Catholic ... but the Supreme Court is supposed to be for everybody.

    To replace John Paul Stevens, an atheist - latimes.com

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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    Hell yes. But a satanist who'd eat Scalia's or Alito's liver would be even better.
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    Makes sense to me.
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    Nice cherry picking by the LA times... some more context shows Jefferson was clearly against the excesses of organized religion but not against belief in Jesus & God.

    "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.

    So much for your quotation of Calvin's `mon dieu! jusqu'a quand' in which, when addressed to the God of Jesus, and our God, I join you cordially, and await his time and will with more readiness than reluctance. May we meet there again, in Congress, with our antient Colleagues, and recieve with them the seal of approbation `Well done, good and faithful servants.' "
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    Regardless of Jefferson's (or anybdy else's) views, if an atheist is among the top candidates for the bench, I'd like to see it as a nice balance (and, I admit, to spite the religionists who have a problem with atheists / agnostics -- and there are plenty of them out there)
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    Except the whole rule of law is based in religion and someone who would make it known that they fly in the face of that concept is, in comparison, a radical. It might be okay to shake things up once in awhile but to do so as someone who's job it is to look at precedent? Scary.
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    Well ... as our everyday news relays to us ... when there are too many of similar beliefs in power things aren't for the best for everybody. I personally have less problems with an atheist than I do an overly religious person of any denomination.
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    I was thinking of a thread for this column but this seems like a good place for this link:


    American Thinker: Declaration of Independence as Law



    The notion that we have natural right from our creator that government cannot take away in fundamental to the founding of this country.

    Absent A Creator (ie God) our rights derive from the state, very dangerous for freedom and the path to tyranny.

    What does an Atheist see as the source for our rights?
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    You have it twisted around. God was invented by man to make him(man) feel better about himself and his existence in the world. Law was invented for more sensible reasons.
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    The rule of law is based in religion? I think you're living in different times, my friend.

    What exactly do you find "scary" about an atheist possibly being on the Court? What are some scenarios you can envision unfolding?

    This truly fascinates me. (Seriously -- not being sarcastic.)
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    Guess the only fear is the fear of the unknown, no problem from this sector, the Supreme Court should be made up of the most qualified jurist, without regard for their religious or lack thereof beliefs...

    I always smile at Jefferson Quotes, as he is at best ambivalent...

    Jesuit Watch: THOMAS JEFFERSON - TEN QUOTES

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    Most law starts with the ten commandments.

    What I find scary is that someone who has an openly contradictory viewpoint is vying for the job e.g. I wouldn't expect a pacifist to join the Marines or a fur farmer to join PETA.
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    Okay, I'll avoid your non-belief and put it this way -- if both systems were invented by man, can't you see that they have been intertwined since the beginning? Religion was the sole form of law and its roots are the same.
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    Do we really know the religion of anyone?? Any one of the Supreme Court Justices could be an atheist, agnostic or muslim, as religion is a personal thing between man and god/nature or whatever..
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    What's more - does it really matter? Very few people actually practice whatever religion they claim as their own, anyhow.
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    Religion was law. Law was religion. It was like that until the evolution of the new way of thinking known today as science. Science is new to human culture. Until it was discovered along with something called "Reason", law and religion were indistinguishable. It was a convenient way for despots and kings to dominate the illiterate and starving serfs. Reason and science brought about democracy, technology, understanding of nature (including how the human brain works) and the recognition that the Old Man in the Sky didn't control the floods and the sun's rotation around the Earth.

    It will take a while for the religious to join the non-religious because 20,000 years of superstition, mythology and ignorance if science will be a tough knot to untie. It will happen, though. The sooner the better.
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    Good point. Which is to say, I'd rather they keep their beliefs quiet than espouse than they are contradictory.
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    And science without religion, oops sorry -- morality, will always lose its way.
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    Oh and since when was the Left the great champion of Jefferson? You know he owned slaves right?
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    Prove it...:D
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???



    If you are correct, no Creator, where do our rights come from?


    From the state?

    Why do we have inalienable rights?
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    I'd like to see an American Indian Transvestite who used to be a male but is now a female with only one leg who can't speak english on the Supreme Court.
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    You know what I'll cite first, not going there.
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    Because everyone just gets it man. All the smart people anyway. Don't you get it? We don't need to justify it because it's so clear man. We're just all people, nobody wants to hurt anyone or do anything bad and if they did its all good man. Pass the ganja.
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    No it is not and it's not even close. :ugh:
    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
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    Religious perspective should have no factor on upholding the Constitution. With that said, I don't care what religion a supreme court judge has, as long as they uphold the constitution and protect it's value to it's people.
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    why would inalienable rights stem only from a "creator," the existence of which cannot be proven?

    This is one of many beliefs that I find odd from some religious people. Why can't our rights stem simply from being?

    (It's similar to religious people who think religion or belief in god is necessary to live a decent, moral life -- to which I ask, is that the only thing that keeps you from becoming a criminal?)

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    Ha ha. Learn some history.
    Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Edit: and even though it's obvious, you really left out the possibility that our rights derive from ... ourselves! Not the state, not a phony God, but we decide what rights we have. Shocking concept, I know.
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    You seem to be confusing atheists with anarchists. Your analogy would be more apt if we were talking about an atheist as pope.

    Very little law has anything to do with the ten commandments, and no interpretation of our law by the Court has anything to do with the commandments or religion.

    So, again, I'll ask: what specifically do you fear? What are some of your worst-case scenarios?
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    Re: We Need an Athiest on the Supreme Court???

    again, you seem to equating atheism with anarchism

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