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  1. PatriotsReign

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    Here it is spelled out for all to see...This could have been avoided, but it's too late now. We have been betrayed by our government!

    Retire Rich 2009: America's great debt threat - Jun. 9, 2009

    "The bill is far too big for only the rich to pick up. There aren't enough of them. America will have to lean on citizens far below the $250,000 income threshold: nurses, electricians, secretaries, and factory workers. Within a decade the average household that pays income tax will owe the equivalent of $155,000 in federal debt, about $90,000 more than last year. What the Obama administration isn't telling Americans is that the only practical solution is a giant tax increase aimed squarely at the middle class. The alternative, big cuts in spending, aren't part of the President's agenda. To keep the debt from wrecking the economy, the U.S. would need to raise annual federal income taxes an average of $11,000 in 2019 for all families that pay them, an increase of about 55%. "The revenues needed are far too big to raise from high earners," says Alan Auerbach, an economist at the University of California at Berkeley. "The government will have to go where the money is, to the middle class." The most likely levy: a European-style value-added tax (VAT) that would substantially raise the price of everything from autos to restaurant meals."

    "America will have to lean on citizens far below the $250,000 income threshold: nurses, electricians, secretaries, and factory workers."....A broken promise. It doesn't get much worse than this.
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    #37 Jersey

    You seem like a pretty bright guy. What about Barry made you believe what he said?
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    it is simple...............the current administration will spend the country into a hole so deep that jacking the taxes FOR EVERYONE will be the only answer........and then once that is done, the taxes are here to stay, pretty much like every other tax that has ever been introduced
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    LMAO. You really didn't see this coming?
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    I'm interested in the sale of $65 Billion of US Treasuries that is going on today. Will it push up interest rates?

    And now the price of oil is rising - quickly.

    With unemployment rising, look for state and federal income to be notably lower than budgeted for - this year's federal deficit will be well over $2 trillion.

    What number will the teleprompter declare when Obama announces the number of jobs "saved"?

    Then add of the push for socialized medicine and cap and trade. Lovely

    And the commercial real estate market will soon implode. There hasn't been much news on this yet, but the default rate is already rising and has reached its highest level in 15 year - it will get much worse.

    Good news though - I just saved a lot of money on my car insurance.
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    We're obviously at the point now where there's no going back. It's like me owing $1M on my credit card and getting a second job to try to pay it off. I could work 24/7/52 and still not touch it. Same with the feds now. Starve the Beast (dramatic cutting of real dollars spent) is the only way out and that's not going to happen.

    As ljuneau said, income tax receipts will be going down. As will property tax. As will gas tax receipts as that's a tax per gallon, not per mile, and we're being encouraged to get more fuel efficient cars.

    I think cap and trade will go down in flames because the Dems will start to get nervous about 2010 - and rightly so. I think healthcare reform won't happen but a much smaller amount will be spent to fill the holes. I think the Dems are going to get very nervous about more spending because they'll look ahead to 2010 and not be able to answer the questions of the deficit and debt expanding by almost an order of magnitude.
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    The crap that this "Lousy President" and the dirty "Democrat Congress" are going to get us into is a good thing because by the time 2012 rolls around every democrat in the country will be voted "OUT" and the dirty socialist left wing bastards won't be in control of anything for the next 100 years, Europe just started kicking their "Lefty's" out last week, good for them.

    NO MORE POLITICALLY CORRECT POSTER BOY PRESIDENTS
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    Really :confused:

    Do you mean all that money they spent was real :confused:

    We really have to pay it back :confused:

    I just thought we were gonna just get a bunch of free sh!t. :rolleyes:
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    dun... dun... dun...

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    Cheer up guys, could always be worse! We will make it though theses times, just going to take alot of hard work and sprinkle a little faith and love on top we should be gtg.;)
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    #24 Jersey

    Really. If your wife spent $1M would you feel the same way ? Sorry but the numbers are getting too big, they just don't add up to "getting through it".
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    I was sick & tired of the same old Washington. I wanted honesty in a guy (Obama) that didn't seem like he was part of the old machine. I thought he'd be right of liberal since that was his history. And I really liked what he said about bringing us together and the destruction of party-line politics.

    Besides, I've never voted republican in my life. Not that there is anything wrong with being republican, but I don't identify with the party personally.
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    He GOT you, didn't he? It's late to b!tch about it. You have to pay for that mistke.

    You don't like to be an INDEPENDENT???????
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    The amazing thing, PR, is how many obama supporters aren't quick enough to realize he's not what they though he was and still approve of the job he's done. His approval numbers aren't great by historical measures after 5 months but they're good, solid, right around where most Presidents are. I would have thought that more people would be intelligent, like you, and realize that even if they end up voting for him again in 2012 that he's now what he said he was. He's not different, he's not an outsider, he's not working with the other side. He is "more of the same".
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    ahahahahaha...good one...

    Don't forget Amnesty. ;)
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    "If your wife spent $1M would you feel the same way ?"

    Sure I would, it just depends on what she spent it on, if she went out and bought shoes, yes i would be mad but if she went and spent it on making our community better and charity's for good causes I would not mind one bit.


    Mr.Obama did not go out and buy shoes, he invested it into our country.;)


    "they just don't add up to "getting through it"

    Sure it dose, every time we humans get into a mess we always seem to get out of it, through thought,faith,strength,determination,courage,and love.

    You do these 6 things, we will get though it.:) We just have to stop feeling sry for ourselfs and pick our heads up and start doing the RIGHT THINGS INSTEAD OF THE EASY THINGS.

    This means, investing in our schools our poor and our jails and our goverment programs, Im sry you don't like taxes neither do I but I like to have police and I like firefighters and I love schools and I like the fact that I can loose my job and get help to get back on my feet.

    People need to start thinking about others and stop always thinking about them self's, I assume most of you are some form of christian, well start acting like it.............unless your one of the 97% of fake christian's out there:rolleyes:
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    "Invest", oh yea, the new word replacing the term, "government spending". Anyone who believes that government creates wealth falls into this trap.

    If you're wife borrows $1 million dollars for herself or her community, it doesn't matter - either way you are bankrupt. Same goes for our country. It takes individuals to improve the community - not a big government in Washington.

    Oh, by the way, Conservatives More Liberal Givers. Just so ya know. Is that log in your eye irritating?
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    #24 Jersey

    Actually, I think he bought a lot of shoes.

    Wow - ready that, maybe we do need to spend more on education.

    :eek:
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    "If you're wife borrows $1 million dollars for herself or her community, it doesn't matter - either way you are bankrupt."

    Do you know what investing means? lol :rolleyes:

    "It takes individuals to improve the community - not a big government in Washington."

    Really, so why didn't the right wing do this when they had the power to for the last 8 years? lol :rolleyes:

    Oh and for your little link you have there, I get all my info off the Internet cause the internet don't lie......lmfao go outside into the real world and you will find this not to be true.

    Oh and only reason most of them donate is for the tax break, so again learn about it before you speak about it.
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    "Actually, I think he bought a lot of shoes."

    I could care less what you think where are your facts? lol that's what I thought.....

    "Wow - ready that, maybe we do need to spend more on education."

    Ya cause grammar and punctuation makes you look cool online;) your in the wrong so you take a dig at me, sounds about right comming from a right winger......never talk about the real issues, would rather focus on my short comming then talk about whats right and wrong.
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    The link is to an article by George Will citing a study done by Syracuse University. What's your source?

    So you're saying that if someone gives to charity because it provides a tax deduction is a bad thing? Are you saying that it's better that the government forcibly take money from one person to give to another improves the lives of everyone?

    Wow, do you use a pipe or paper?
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