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    Well, this effectively slams the door shut on that debate. Not that there was EVER any doubt.

    This is why their rationale quietly changed from "we don't torture" to "yeah, we torture, but it's necessary." :rolleyes:

    We broke the law, admits CIA agent convicted of rendition


    One of the Americans convicted in absentia by an Italian court for her part in the 2003 abduction of a Muslim cleric by CIA operatives has acknowledged they "broke the law" and complained she was given insufficient protection by her superiors in Washington.

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    In an interview earlier this year with an Italian newspaper, Mr Lady was candid about the seizure of the cleric. "Of course it was an illegal operation," the newspaper quoted him. "But that's our job. We're at war against terrorism".​
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    Meanwhile, on a related note on torture... Here's more "law breaking" that has gotten affectively white-washed by our judicial system.... We're now sanctioning the torture of the innocent. The "Shock Doctrine" is complete.

    Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

    It's not often that an appellate court decision reflects so vividly what a country has become, but such is the case with yesterday's ruling by the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in Arar v. Ashcroft (.pdf). Maher Arar is both a Canadian and Syrian citizen of Syrian descent. A telecommunications engineer and graduate of Montreal's McGill University, he has lived in Canada since he's 17 years old. In 2002, he was returning home to Canada from vacation when, on a stopover at JFK Airport, he was (a) detained by U.S. officials, (b) accused of being a Terrorist, (c) held for two weeks incommunicado and without access to counsel while he was abusively interrogated, and then (d) was "rendered" -- despite his pleas that he would be tortured -- to Syria, to be interrogated and tortured. He remained in Syria for the next 10 months under the most brutal and inhumane conditions imaginable, where he was repeatedly tortured.

    <smip> ... a full investigation by Canadian authorities and the public disclosure of a detailed report which concluded "categorically that there is no evidence to indicate that Mr. Arar has committed any offense or that his activities constituted a threat to the security of Canada." By stark and very revealing contrast, the U.S. Government has never admitted any wrongdoing or even spoken publicly about what it did; to the contrary, it repeatedly insisted that courts were barred from examining the conduct of government officials because what we did to Arar involves "state secrets" and because courts should not interfere in the actions of the Executive where national security is involved. What does that behavioral disparity between the two nations say about how "democratic," "accountable," and "open" the United States is?

    Yesterday, the Second Circuit -- by a vote of 7-4 -- agreed with the government and dismissed Arar's case in its entirety. It held that even if the government violated Arar's Constitutional rights as well as statutes banning participation in torture, he still has no right to sue for what was done to him. Why? Because "providing a damages remedy against senior officials who implement an extraordinary rendition policy would enmesh the courts ineluctably in an assessment of the validity of the rationale of that policy and its implementation in this particular case​
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    Hunt doggie, hunt.....

    [​IMG]

    I have to admire your tenacity Press. Still trying to make this doggie hunt.

    Unfortunatly, most everyone else has lost interest... or at least are on to more pressing issues like FINDING JOBS. Nice articles though. Nothing new, or particularly suprising either.
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    We will get bits and pieces of the crimes committed by the Bush Cabal, for the next 20 years... prefer to live in a country that lives by the rules, rather than one that fabricates rules based on lies...
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    He probably wishes he was sent to GITMO rather than Syria. WOnder how many other detainees would have gone to their native lands for imprisonment rather than stay at GITMO?
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    #24 Jersey

    I don't think that's the point. I think the point is, WE sent him there - with no good reason other than we could, apparently, after we abusively interrogated him, held him incommunicato for two weeks, denied him a lawyer and sent him to Syria knowing full well that he'd be tortured there, too and now we've decided he's got no recourse other than to suck it up.

    Besides what diffence does it make if you're tortured in Syria or you're tortured in America? Torture is torture regardless of where it takes place. People shouldn't have to choose where they want it to take place at - it shouldn't take place at all, anywhere.
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    I hope we did! I sleep well at night.....
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    #24 Jersey

    You might not feel that way when they come for you.
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    You know your right....Isn't Barry implementing so new civilian defense unit? I should tow the new line.
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    No just another beckian and limbaughian lie, amazing what you can find out when you seek the truth...
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    Interesting...so, you're saying that Obama NEVER said that he wanted an armed civilian force that was as well supplied as the military?

    Yeah...just a Beckian and Limbaughian lie...
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    Show a credible source, or just tune in to your boyz today.. hear they are going to give out a few clues for y our secret decoder ring...
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    Guess what, that's what CIA operatives do. They break the law of the host country that they're in all the time.

    In the Cold War, for example, it was routine that they would break and enter to view or plant evidence.

    That's what they do, guys. What were you expecting? Play by the rules? That's no fun.

    And ineffective.

    When the next 9/11 hits harder and causing more death and destruction, there'll be firebreathers asking why we didn't know more.

    Hamstringing the CIA will become Exhibit A on Fox News.
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    Uh, Google it? Here's his quote, from a speech given in Iowa, I believe:

    ""We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."

    That was from here:
    Obama outlines plan for national service

    There are tons of places. Hit up youtube, you can probably see video of him saying it. Give me a break, dude. You act like I'm crazy, but ignore actual words that were said by Obama.
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    Good find, but there is a difference between thought and action.
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    The difference is that when you institutionalize a policy you become complicit, stuff happens in the heat of battle all the time that just happens... but when you get secret airlines involved, arresting people illegally and then torturing them in other foreign countries.. we become high tech terrorists..

    You are right no one plays by the rules, but to rewrite them under the guise of security is flat out wrong.. Ben Franklin

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    I agree, however, you are acting like anyone who says that Obama wants these things are crazy. The truth is, Obama WANTS a force, just like Beck and Limbaugh have said. I haven't heard either one say that it exists. I have heard them say that ACORN could be a basis for that force.
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    #24 Jersey

    Speaking of "ignoring actual words," Resnor, did you even read the rest of the 18 month old article you quoted from?

    Like this part - the part that says the speech was given pre-election and that McCain was advocating the same thing? Or the part where Obama explains how we can help provide national security by increasing the work that Americorps does at home and the Peace Corp does overseas? Or by increasing the numbers of teachers, nurses and volunteers?

    Cherry-picking quotes only works if people are too lazy or too dumb to read the article for themselves.


    Obama promised to increase AmeriCorps slots from 75,000 to 250,000 and pledged to double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011.

    Presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain of Arizona also supports an expansion of both programs and has stressed public service, including in the military, during campaign appearances.

    Obama repeated his pledge to boost the size of the active military. But he also said the nation's future and safety depends on more than just additional soldiers.

    "It also depends on the teacher in East L.A., or the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia," he said.

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