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  1. Holy Diver

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    Most US students think Beethoven is a dog

    Most US students think Beethoven is a dog | Raw Story

    Most young Americans entering university this year can't write in cursive, think email is too slow, that Beethoven's a dog and Michelangelo a computer virus, according to an annual list compiled by two academics at a US college

    These people will be 'taking care of us' in the future....frickin WONDERFUL!

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    Don't todays Universitys and Liberal Public Schools want to change history, don't they want to brainwash the newer generations into believing their own socialist "anti american" crap, the Liberal Learning Centers certainly don't want the 'new ones" to learn of the Patriotism and the Bravery of the Americans that came before them and how they fought and died for the Freedoms of all Americans.

    I don't think todays Liberal Schools would be doing to much bragging about winning WWI and then doing it all over again with WWII, I bet they very seldom mention Ronald Reagan or Gen Patton to this new group of young people.

    I think the Liberal Leaders want these people to think Beethoven is a dog.

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    You're wrong again, Harry. You know nothing about what you speak of, but that imagination of yours never stops making stuff up, does it?
     
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    There's a method to his madness. I can't tell you how many professors I've had that have gone off and started spouting off political rhetoric, for whatever reason, in classes that really didn't have much, if anything to do with politics. Most of them have gone off on liberal tangents, though I haven't also been privy to some conservative tangents as well.
     
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    Kontra...you are in school now, right?
     
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    Correct, unfortunately.
     
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    with the job market the way it is, I'd say its time to go for your PHD...


    anyway...do you see this kind of aloofness in today's students, or do youthink this poll is BS?
     
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    Nah, they'll prolly feel all guilty about dropping the bomb on Japan. But I won't!!!
     
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    I see it my nephews HD. I helped teach my oldest nephew to dirve. He couldn't even find his way around the town he's lived in for 10 years! I'd tell him to get on Rt. 495 (2 miles from his house) and he'd say, "Where's that?"

    He'd drive somewhere pretty close by and I'd tell him to drive back home and he wouldn't know how.

    "Some" will say, "But they know all sorts of things about technology!"...not realizing that's irrelevant to these common sense basics.
     
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    You can thank the lemon factory that is the United States Public School System, as well as the wussification of the country. We're now a place where everyone gets a trophy, no teachers can ever lose their job, energetic kids are drugged into a coma, and the best and brightest are subjected to the same classrooms, as the worst, and most moronic.

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    I don't know if I'll ever have the patience, or the money to get my PHD. I've already graduated from college with a BA in communications. I took a job with a with a local newspaper afterward but quit after a couple of months because I was EXTREMELY put off by what they call "journalistic integrity" nowadays. So I decided to just go back and get a degree in business.

    As for the "aloofness" in today's students, it depends on the student really. There are a ton of airheads out there with no interest in world or American history that I know who probably wouldn't be able to answer those questions. On the other hand, I know just as many kids that would laugh at how inept this particular group of kids are.
     
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    While I think ADD and ADHD are overly diagnosed, it's a fact that some kids do need Adderall or Ritalin in order to be successful in school or life. As for me, I was one of the "overly diagnosed" population. I had trouble paying attention in class at times because of all the slutty clothes girls used to wear in my school, thongs popping out, or just general tomfoolery. The response of my psychologist was to prescribe me to Ritalin. And I hated it. I felt dead and antisocial. But I do know some kids that it did wonders for. Kids who, otherwise, would have probably dropped out of school.

    The rest of your post is dead on, though.
     
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    word...

    kinda what I was guessing. I have faith that the creme will always rise, but the results scared me. My generation had its head bangers, wasters, etc. Just like my folks talk about "greasers" and all that....I've also seen people turn it around in life, going from gang-banging to college degree entrepeneurs. The creme.

    As for YOUR degree persuits, good call going into biz. you will always be able to be your own boss, its also a pliable degree allowing you to go into other fields. Nothing trains you for the real world...LIKE the real world, so good for you being able to see the news biz for what it has become. If you ever wanna get back to the 'good side' of communication, and find yourself in the biggity-bay area...holler.

    as for now...the other kind of C.R.E.A.M. has taken over.

    YouTube - Wu-Tang Clan-C.R.E.A.M.
     
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    I wouldn't ever say that there aren't kids, or people, who need it. Like you, I find it to be extremely over prescribed, and am absolutely enraged that they do so, with kids who are 6 or 7 years old. No one has a clue as to what the long term ramifications are, but hey, as long as a kid drools so daddy can go play Madden, or Mommy can watch the Batchelorette in peace, it's all good.

    Not to mention how happy the business end is in all this. Doctors, Big Pharma, your local Walgreens pharmacy, etc.
     
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    The vast majority of kids on psychoactive drugs are boys. The reason for this is simple. Boys (and girls, too) have no freedom anymore. They are not out all afternoon on their bikes or walking and running. They don't hang out at the fields or courts waiting to get on next. They don't figure out things for themselves anymore. They can't organize themselves. They are not developing their brains normally anymore. The lack of physical and social workouts make many boys feel like they're going to explode.

    Helicopter parents, video games and hyper-organized sports are ruining kids- or at least changing them into something I don't recognize. These cultural systems are also further separating the poor and rich. Rich kids have one parent at home (or have some supervision), get to attend the sports camps, get better education and lots of other stuff. The poor kids don't have access to winter baseball camps, have both their parents working (if they have two) go to crap schools, and are left on their own. These poor kids don't get Ritalin and their relative performance is lower than the drugged kids. That's not fair. I grew up pretty poor but there were mothers in every three-decker and no one was on their own and everyone went to either free public school or almost free Catholic school.
     
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    I agree with your point about kids today not having the recreational, social, and physical skills of previous generations. As someone who's old enough to remember when Atari first came out, as well as what it was like with no PC, internet, or cell phone, I make the same point with friends all the time (my friends feel the same way too). However, I disagree with the poor kids not getting Ritilin. I believe something like 10-12% of kids in this country, don't have coverage. Of those, I'm guessing a lot are from middle class families. Plus, kids tend to get what they need, and the poor especially get all kinds of free care. It's likely to be the middle class that gets hosed when it comes to coverage. Aside from that, I don't know many kids that go to winter baseball camp, so I'm not sure it's poor vs rich, as much as it is a rich vs everyone else thing. Rich kids will always be better off than everyone else. The problem we're facing today, is that it's middle class kids that are seeing the quality of their upbringing suffer. Regardless of the reasons for that decline, children shouldn't be given drugs as they are, when no one has any clue what the long term ramifications will be 5, 10, or 20 years down the road. Big Pharma is salivating at the ability to hook a 7 year old on prescription meds, as it will likely mean a lifetime of pills and bills. Even cigarette companies couldn't dream of hooking 7 year olds to it's product at such a young age.

    Back to the social skills bit, it's tragic really. Today's entire society is lacking here. Kids play Madden online, instead of together at the park. People call you instead of visit. Some email you, instead of calling. Girlfriends text you, instead of giving you a....nevermind. :D
     
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    Agree. Especially the last line. My friend's teenage boy just got an intervention from his dad and some of his dad's friends. We laid out what a wuss he'd become and how his nightmare girlfriend had him on a texting tether. This kid was jumping when his cell chirped that a text was coming. It was fun and now he's happier. No more all-day texting from her. He said all his friends experience that crap. Seems like everything is different for these kids now. They don't believe that we did what we did. They literally think we're dillusional liars when we talk about keg parties with bonfires on the lake and day-tripping to Vermont on a Saturday with girls and beer. They also have no idea what we're talking about when we refer to pick-up games of baseball in the summer and playing football all morning on Sunday because all of the games were on at 1:00 or 4:00 unless it was MNF.

    Also agree on my poor terminology. It is "rich vs. everyone else. Regardless of coverage, the rich will always have access to better health care in this system...that's a given.
     
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    I remember calling people, only to get a busy signal for hours on end. Most of the time, when I was a kid, we used to walk to each others houses, and actually ring the bell to see if friends were home. Imagine that eh? (sarcasm) Seriously though, we used to play stickball, tag football in the middle of the street, and walk for hours to try to get enough people to play one of those summer pick up baseball games your talking about. One summer, all we had was a baseball with ripped stiching, so we actually duct taped the ball, and used it to play. When the older kids saw up using this silver, duct taped ball, they almost died. Hey, it was all we had. In the winter, on Sunday mornings, we used to play street hockey inside the basketball court. If it snowed, everyone used to still show up, only with a shovel. We'd shovel up the snow, and then play. I so miss those days. Not so much because I'm older now, and want to revisit my youth. I miss them because I feel as if life was simpler (and better) then. Family bbq's on a whim, no cell phones, only one car in the house, 1 or maybe 2 tv's, and not much more. In some ways, as much as technology has helped us, it's genuinely contributing to the decline of society, as we once knew it.
     
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    funny how the stories from OUR parents used to sound eerily similar...My mom used to imagine she was on a boat using her porch, the kids didnt have TV, they only had radio...etc...etc...

    what I'm getting at is imagine the children of today's children....and how out of touch they will become if the current levels on non-interaction keep growing?

    anyone see 'Wall-E'?

    http://gabrielhummel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/wall-e-human.jpg
     
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    a text intervention??????!!!!!!
     

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