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  1. DarrylS

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    or maybe the teams response to him, his team often looked confused, did not use the clock all that well and lots of stupid penalties.. a classic was when BB switched from the o team to the Punt team.. did not work well for Pats, but the Jets looked like they were pop warner.. they should have been prepared for this...

    Would think with all the hoopla about Favre, the whole team would have responded differently.. I know our D played extremely well.. but the Jets did not look or act like a front line team..

    Checked the NY press, not to critical this AM, but that is only a matter of time...
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    #24 Jersey

    That could change next Tuesday after the Jets likely get their asses kicked at SD on Monday Night Football. Nothing like the Jets being embarrassed in front of a national audience :)
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    It's only a matter of time before Favre complains about coaching-jmho. Granted he's probably still learning the offense (which speaks volumes about BB's decision to go with Cassel) but their playcalling seemed sort of suspect too. Example- instead of letting Favre sling one into the EZ they run it up the gut 3 times or so, to no avail. Favre might be overrated but he's not exactly chopped liver either, though the pats sure made him look that way:D

    He's still developing in their system but Manjokus should give him a little more slack. I mean-isn't that why they got him in the first place?

    Either way, it sure seems odd that they've bulked up their trenches and signed a future HOF QB, yet somehow they not only managed to lose but they looked really B-A-D when they did. Disclaimer-I'm not complaining at all obviously, but it's interesting. Mangenius...not. :singing:
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    ...neither was Belichick, evidently!

    So long, RAT!
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    Mangini is a "fat boy," Can't stand the bastard.
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    I wasn't all that thrilled with his coaching either. Five minutes left, an obvious passing down, and 5'8" 200 lb Leon Washington is assigned to block 6'2" 270 lb Adalius Thomas. Negative twenty yards later, someone on the Jets sideline should have appreciated the insanity of that.
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    Steve Serby lays into him pretty good:

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/sports/jets/mangenius_gave_favre_no_schott_to_win_129106.htm

    Let's face it. Mangini wasn't exactly impressive in his only year as a DC with the Pats. He got the Jets jobs based solely on hype and the fact he comes from the Belichick tree. Woody Johnson in his desperate attempt to turn the Jets into the Meadowlands version of the Patriots thought he was getting Belichick Jr. What he got was Herm Edwards Jr.

    Even when they went 10-6 in 2006, Mangini coached not to lose, not to win. You cannot win consistently in the NFL when you play not to lose.
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    Mangini has been placed or placed himself between the proverbial rock and a hard place. He's a micro-manager brought in to install discipline and system to build off of like the one the guy who hired him is eternally jealous of. Only that guy has no patience, and on some level (ego) neither does Mangini (much like Saban who could not withstand the heat of losing through a re-build). So they start to take the end around approach bringing in expensive aging FA talent to win now...

    The QB they opted for has no use and little affinity for systems. If they win Brett's way while it will chap Mangini he will swallow hard and live with the improvisations. When they lose he and his QB will butt heads as one points fingers publicly or privately at the other. Brett doesn't know the system, nor does he really want to. There were some faces going on yesterday as calls came in... Last week he reportedly called some plays of his own with complex terminology like lets just run that (insert an earlier play) again...

    Against below average (talent) or undisciplined defenses they will win some games on Brett's sandlot heroics. Against above average (talent) defenses and those who maintain discipline, they will lose.

    And before you know it it will be 2009...and then what?
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    That was a VERY baffling move. Has Washington had assignments like that in the past? Now don't get me wrong, that play was very entertaining, but it was a very baffling coaching decision, IMO.
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    How many times on first down did they run the ball? Actually, I should ask, how many times on first down didn't they run the ball?
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    He's called upon to block, like any back. But, in that situation, the one thing you can't afford is a sack. Incomplete pass - fine. I may have even taken a grounding penalty before THAT sack. In terms of qb sacks, that might just be one of the worst I've ever seen. Twenty yards, and Thomas actually sacked two guys at once. Clock runs off time. Jets get pushed back and surrender field position to close out the game. Five minutes left and one play essentially closed the door. Dumb.
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    Mangini's biggest mistake was trying to stuff it down the Patriots throats on the goal line eralier in the game to prove a point. How'd that work out for you Eric?

    Not sure how Farve didn't break free on AD 'monster sack'. As pointed out in an earlier post.... if Eli's jersey was as strong as Lord Farve's the Pats would be defending champions (again).
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    aww...that's gonna be too bad...i'm feeling sorry for them already...
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    Good points. I disagree that Favre is "overrated," tho; way past his prime, yes, but not oveerrated. He'll make a few big plays and win a few games for them, but they still won't be playing in January.

    It's the Jests' fans who got themselves into a frenzy and went into denial that this guy was going to turn 39 this October; now reality is beginning to sink in.

    the best part will be when they turn on mangenius. i give it another couple of weeks...maybe the SD loss will do it.

    the other best part will be when Favre insists on playing out his contract next year and gives another team a QB crisis.
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    I didn't mean I necessarily think Favre is overrated-I was reiterating what some have said about him. Sorry,I wasn't clear on that :)
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    Favre is overrated at least at this point of his career. You listen to a lot of the talking heads on TV and they will try to convince you that Favre at 38 can walk on water and turn water into wine. People talk about the guy like he was in his prime.

    I can't blame the Jets fans from being excited when you have the media telling you every day that your team is the hot upshots that are the darkhorse candidates for the Super Bowl. You have Marshall Faulk predicting the Jets win the division even before Brady went down. Most of the media had them going to the playoffs and would have had them winning the division if they weren't in the same division as the Patriots.

    You would have thought that the media would have learned from all those Redskins teams that tried to buy a championship team, but they still fall into that trap every year.
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    ONE WIN. That is all Mangini has brought to the organization. One win on a crappy weather day in Foxboro. I suspect he will be on the chopping block if he can't get a "W" in the rematch this year.
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    You know, this is just one more reason to appreciate the tremendous blocking skills of Kevin Faulk, who is exactly Washington's size.
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    True. But if Leon Washington is actually 200 pounds, I'll eat my "e" right off my k yboard.
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    Mangina is a schmuck but Brett is also not the brightest bulb on the tree so together this is an explosive combo. all you have to know about Brett can be summed up in this one quick story

    In his 8th or 9th year when Detnmer was the backup he turned to him in TC and asked "Ok so what is Nickle defense anyway?" That just about sums it up right there. The man is a moron when it comes to Football IQ

    Heard that story on the radio before the game yesterday from Nelly (Steve Nelson)
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    They had 12 men on the field a couple times, and Favre had to call a timeout as 2 TEs were in motion and he had no idea what was going on. Granted there are a lot of new players on the team, but it starts from the top down. Mangina said himself the Patriots have one of the best front 7s in the league, yet he runs the ball 3 times in a row at the goal line. I think he's just so bent up on beating the Pats he misses the fundamentals.
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    There were some mental breakdowns by the Jesters, which reflects somewhat on the assistant coaches who are supposed to be handling formation changes and such. Overall I was impressed with the improvement of the Jesters, Mangini now has a legitimate 3-4 front seven, and the biggest weakness of his secondary is inexperience. If Woody Johnson can suck it up another year or two, while Tannenbaum drafts some more young studs, this will be a tougher team to play.
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    But they still won't have a starting QB...

    And their offensive system will be in undisciplined tatters for whatever comes after the Favre experiment in 2009 or 2010...
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    I mostly agree. There's some good young talent on that defense, and the OL, while hugely expensive, should be solid for the short term. The problem areas seem to be skill players on offense, coaching, and any flexibility to maneuver under the cap.
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    i have never been impressed by the RATS coaching
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    Favre looked his best when improvising. Otherwise, the playbook and he don't mix. Even Coles said as much when talking about how the play has Coles running one route, but Favre wants him to run another and Mangini ends up telling Coles, "Just go with what Favre wants." Awful coaching. Awful way to run an offense.

    Regards,
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    Yeh, but that's Lord Favre starting at gunslinger, a 50/50 chance he'll get the ball to an open receiver or kill your scoring shot with an interception. It's hard to fault the Jester coaches for trying to punch it in behind their $17.95/lb O-line.
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    Mangini had no respect for Cassel's game and expected him to blow it. He played conservatively based on that flawed premise.

    Cassel's poise in the 2nd half won this game. He completed crucial passes at crucial moments and did not pull the John Kitna act Mangini was anticipating.

    This was the biggest game of Mangini's coaching career. Bigger than the playoff game 2 years ago, when he was an underdog on a honeymoon.

    This was the first big game Mangini was expected to win.

    His coaching approach was telling. He coached like the scared, gutless football man he is.

    I think he peed down his pantleg in the 3rd quarter.

    The 4th and 3 pass by BB to seal the game was a FU intended not only to seal the win but rightly humiliate Mangini for his spineless coaching last week in Miami [choosing to run on 3rd and 7 to seal the game] and the 3 rushes inside the 3 in the 1st half.

    BB has taken the measure of Mangini, and knows better than anyone that Mangini is a football coward.
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