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Was Jon Morris more deserving to go in before Nance to the Pats HOF?

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    Donaldson is probably my least favorite local writer.. not quite sure how he continues to exist.. he tries to be "edgy" but fails miserably.
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    While Morris may have the 'stats',Nance will forever be the one of these two players that every older Patriots fan remembers in doing special things on the football field.
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    Jon Morris was a good player but for some reason had difficulty

    long snapping his last couple of years with the Patriots.
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    Donaldson was probably three years old when Nance played.
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    And now as a sports writer he has the IQ of a 3 year old ;)
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    I'm old enough to have seen Jim Nance play back in the days of home games at Fenway, BU, and Harvard. He was a special player and, having had seen him speak at our school, a pretty kind man who took time out to encourage city kids to do the right thing. Personally, Im thrilled he was elected. Just wish he was alive to be there for the induction.
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    I'd like to see more than one player elected to the HOF each year.

    In a few more years all of the older players will be forgotten completely.
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    here are severallinemen from the early Patriots that wil have a hard tiem getting into the Patriots Ring og Jonoer . But hrtey al deserve to be there.

    Theryy are Houston Antwine, DT, Jon Morris, C, Tommy Neville, OT, (Hawg Hannah's nominee) and Larry Eisenhour, DE.

    There should be a special group selction for all these guys as the number who saw them play is getting smaller and the great players of this decade wil get much more attention.as they retire.:D

    I still contend the Patriots ought to un-retire the numbers that they have retired, and simply add the retirees name in smaller type UNDER the number, in half size gold, while they keep the current players name OVER the number as is standard. :)
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    While Donaldson has become more contrarian than any other writer that follows the Pats, the article itself wasn't all that bad. The title of the column is a bit inflammatory but he doesn't slam Nance; in fact, he says "let there be no mistake - Nance is not a bad pick for the Patriots Hall of Fame. But Morris would have been better."

    When I first saw this thread I thought it would be another hatchet job by Donaldson, but that's not the case this time. Jim Nance was my favorite player on the team when I first became a Pats fan, and Donaldson does have a point that we as fans tend to notice the "skill players" more than linemen.

    My choice was Nance but I can understand the logic behind voting for Morris instead. Now if Donaldson can continue to write well thought out, non-incendiary pieces like this going forward, then I may go back to reading his columns on a regular basis.
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    With all due respect to both Donaldson and Morris, Donaldson is wrong. I'm old enough to have seen Morris play at Holy Cross, Nance at Syracuse and both with the Patriots. Morris was a very, very fine player. In my opinion, Nance was on another level.
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    Houston Antwine should've been elected ahead of either of them. He is on the All-Time AFL First Team; neither Nance nor Morris can make that claim.

    Edit: Jon Morris was elected to the All-Time AFL Second Team. I hadn't known that, so he gets my vote as the player who should be elected right after Antwine, who should've been elected ahead of Nance, who should've been elected after Morris.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_League_All-Time_Team

    Note that there were 3 Halfbacks elected to the 1st & 2nd teams, and Nance wasn't one of them.
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    I'd go with those four.

    You have to realize, a bunch of guys in a room in 1991 (I think) just decided the whole hall of fame at once.

    Wasn't exactly the proverbial nationwide search.
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    Morris was a fine consistent player but was never the best center, Jim Otto was.

    I'm glad fans got to vote for all timers, but you are right. Antwine wouldn't be far behind Hannah in the first group that should have been in there. Probably top five. Fans love RBs and QBs.

    Nance had two outstanding, record breaking years.
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    Morris and Antwine were both deserving, but I voted for Jim Nance. For a few years he was amazing. I'm certain Jon Morris opened some of those holes and Houston Antwine was very quick off the ball. If Hannah recommended Tom Neville, he is definitely crazy. I still hear the PA announcer saying "Holding, number 77".
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    Hannah ought to know. He played either one or two years with Tommy Neville. When Hannah was a rookie, Neville was nearing the end of his career. I trust Hawg's opinions. He has always been a square shooter, ever since he said that Tony Eason just didn't have it, and recomended a new set of clothes for him.;)

    I'll leave it to another old timer to define what that set of duds were.:snob:
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    I remember what Hannah said, too...and he was right.
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    Well if we talk about deserving tackles, Leon Gray and Brian Holloway would be ahead of Neville in my book. I watched most every game Neville played and he appeared to be mediorcre.
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    Hannah made all those guys look like all pros. Hannah's point about Neville is probably that had he played his whole career next to Hannah, he'd be thought of as the best of all three...
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