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  1. tedylb

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    If the buck stops on the President's desk, then Bubba is responsible for :
    1. Presiding over our worst economic downturn since the great depression.
    2. Turning a Clinton surplus into the largest deficit in US history.
    3. Misleading our country into needlessly invading a country, which has caused hundreds of thousands of civilian and 4,500 American military deaths. This has caused:
    4. Loss of respect from American allies all over the world and
    5. The rise of Iran and further destablization in the Mideast and elsewhere.

    There are those on this board who are burying Obama after less than one day as POTUS. Where were you when Bush-Cheney presided over 8 calamitous years of deceit and failure?
     
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    Liberal circle jerk begins now . . .
     
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    No Kidding.

    I thought it was millions:rolleyes:
     
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    I think he'll be regarded as the worst president because he failed on both domestic issues (job creation, deficit, stock market, Katrina) and on foreign affairs (nuclearization of Iran and NK, needless war in Iraq, failing war in Afghanistan, bin Laden's still free, alienated many of our allies). It's really hard to think of a success by Bush even though his party controlled both houses of Congress for 5 years. He did keep America safe after 9/11, but at what cost? A needless war that cost 4,000 American lives.

    Perhaps BF would like to list some of Bush's big successes.
     
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    We have already had this thread several times. But, sure, it's fun for you guys to do it again.
     
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    It certainly is!
     
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    Hold onto your hat.....
    BF is right on this.
    Move on. Bush is done along with his stupid neocon philosophy. They can't hurt you anymore. THere's a lot of repair work to do so we need to get back to reality. History will do the burying of Bush and looking back never got anyone anything.
     
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    I hate to keep breaking it to the uninformed, BUT THERE WAS NEVER ANY ******* SURPLUS. EVER!


    As for GW, it's impossible to say the day after he's left office, whether or not he is the best, or worst, president ever. The policy decisions a president makes have long term ramifications that won't be fully realized until years, and in some cases, even decades later.
     
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    Moving forward, mindful of the past, eyes on future -1

    I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our ancestors. I thank President Bush for his service to our nation, as well as the generosity and cooperation he has shown throughout this transition.

    Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath. The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace. Yet, every so often the oath is taken amidst gathering clouds and raging storms. At these moments, America has carried on not simply because of the skill or vision of those in high office, but because we the people have remained faithful to the ideals of our forebears, and true to our founding documents.

    So it has been. So it must be with this generation of Americans.

    That we are in the midst of crisis is now well understood. Our nation is at war, against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred. Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age. Homes have been lost; jobs shed; businesses shuttered. Our health care is too costly; our schools fail too many; and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.

    These are the indicators of crisis, subject to data and statistics. Less measurable but no less profound is a sapping of confidence across our land — a nagging fear that America’s decline is inevitable, and that the next generation must lower its sights.

    Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America — they will be met.

    On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.

    On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas, that for far too long have strangled our politics.

    We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.

    In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of shortcuts or settling for less. It has not been the path for the faint-hearted — for those who prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame. Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things — some celebrated but more often men and women obscure in their labor, who have carried us up the long, rugged path towards prosperity and freedom.

    For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.

    For us, they toiled in sweatshops and settled the West; endured the lash of the whip and plowed the hard earth.

    For us, they fought and died, in places like Concord and Gettysburg; Normandy and Khe Sahn.

    Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life. They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions; greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.

    This is the journey we continue today. We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth. Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began. Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week or last month or last year. Our capacity remains undiminished. But our time of standing pat, of protecting narrow interests and putting off unpleasant decisions — that time has surely passed. Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America.

    For everywhere we look, there is work to be done. The state of the economy calls for action, bold and swift, and we will act — not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth. We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together. We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology’s wonders to raise health care’s quality and lower its cost. We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories. And we will transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age. All this we can do. All this we will do.

    Now, there are some who question the scale of our ambitions — who suggest that our system cannot tolerate too many big plans. Their memories are short. For they have forgotten what this country has already done; what free men and women can achieve when imagination is joined to common purpose, and necessity to courage.

    What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them — that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply. The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works — whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. Those of us who manage the public’s dollars will be held to account — to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day — because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.

    Nor is the question before us whether the market is a force for good or ill. Its power to generate wealth and expand freedom is unmatched, but this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control — and that a nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous. The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our gross domestic product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on our ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart — not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.

    As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. Our founding fathers ... our found fathers, faced with perils we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man, a charter expanded by the blood of generations. Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience’s sake. And so to all the other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman, and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more.

    Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

    We are the keepers of this legacy. Guided by these principles once more, we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort — even greater cooperation and understanding between nations. We will begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people, and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan. With old friends and former foes, we will work tirelessly to lessen the nuclear threat, and roll back the specter of a warming planet. We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.

    For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus — and non-believers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace.
     
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    To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect. To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society’s ills on the West — know that your people will judge you on what you can
    build, not what you destroy. To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.

    To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to the suffering outside our borders; nor can we consume the world’s resources without regard to effect. For the world has changed, and we must change with it.

    As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains. They have something to tell us, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. We honor them not only because they are guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service; a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves. And yet, at this moment — a moment that will define a generation — it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all.

    For as much as government can do and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies. It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours. It is the firefighter’s courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent’s willingness to nurture a child, that finally decides our fate.

    Our challenges may be new. The instruments with which we meet them may be new. But those values upon which our success depends — hard work and honesty, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism — these things are old. These things are true. They have been the quiet force of progress throughout our history. What is demanded then is a return to these truths. What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility — a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to ourselves, our nation, and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.




    This is the price and the promise of citizenship.This is the source of our confidence — the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.

    This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed — why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent Mall, and why a man whose father less than sixty years ago might not have been served at a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath.

    So let us mark this day with remembrance, of who we are and how far we have traveled. In the year of America’s birth, in the coldest of months, a small band of patriots huddled by dying campfires on the shores of an icy river. The capital was abandoned. The enemy was advancing. The snow was stained with blood. At a moment when the outcome of our revolution was most in doubt, the father of our nation ordered these words be read to the people: "Let it be told to the future world ... that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive...that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet (it)."

    America, in the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words. With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. Let it be said by our children’s children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God’s grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.

    Thank you. God bless you. And God bless the United States of America.
     
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    Re: Moving forward, mindful of the past, eyes on future -1

    I just fainted
     
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    CNN had an interesting piece this morning on worldwide reaction to the inaugural. People from all these far-flung countries seemed overjoyed and were having parties. Even in France. In Kenya, they unveiled a new beer in Obama's honor called President Beer. In summary, the reporter said that a major aspect of the joyfulness surrounding Obama becoming president is the fact that he isn't G.W. Bush. It almost makes you believe that even if Obama does nothing, we're already ahead of the game. Hope and optimism even absent tangible action can be pretty powerful forces. :singing::singing::singing::singing:
     
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    Re: Moving forward, mindful of the past, eyes on future -1


    Just like the old old tree in the forest.
    Nobody heard and nobody cared...
     
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    Is there any real difference between the 20 percenters as some in here call them, and the Kool-aid drinkers who's legs are all tingly? Generally speaking, I don't really think so. I hope the guy does a terrific job, but someone must have seriously spiked that Kool-aid.
     
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    Let take your points one by one.

    1. Hard to argue that...... A lot of blame to go around though, but he was the boss.

    2. Again, hard to argue. He spent like a lib. Particularly towards the end. It's where he lost me.

    3. Again...... shows your short-sightedness and narrow understanding of historical perspective. No matter what you d!cks on the far left think. 20 years from now, if Iraq is a stable, free, functioning democratic society in a region of the world that has had 1000's of years of conflict? GWB will be viewed much kinder on this historical note. I personally agree that it wasn't worth the effort. But in the long run, you will ultimately be judged not by HOW you got INTO war, but HOW you got OUT of war.

    Time will tell. Things look very good right now and if that continues he will be pointed to as the guy that started Iraq's re-birth, both here and in Iraq. If it turns to sh!t (and it still could), then..... well, he owns that to. If you think otherwise, your thinking with emotion not reason. Historical perspective is judged on the latter.

    4. Again, depends on what type of "respect" you are talking about.......... from the tee-totaling douches in the cafe's of Europe, or the respect of a legacy of good deeds?

    George Bush has done more for the continent of Africa, and the plight of it's people (AIDS) then every other president (almost combined). None of you partisan retards probably even know about that. Ultimately, that story will be written in the future as well.

    5. Where the fukc have you been. The "rise of Iran" occured in the late 70's, under another guy We just ignored it. Oh yeah......... there was zero stability in the mideast and hadn't been for a dozen or more years before the guy took office, so it's comical to hear you say "destabilized" the middle east :singing:

    ...... and you forgot one.

    On September 11, 2001........... Millions of us went to bed scared sh!tless and did not know if we would ever really be safe again. Very few of us even think about that anymore when we put our heads down on the pillow at night. There is primarily ONE GUY you can thank for that. Well, millions if you count our beloved military folks (who by the way, still ADORE that one guy). Psssst. and when it comes to securing your freedom and keeping you safe, they know more then you ;)

    AQ has not since attacked a major AMERICAN asset since that dreadful day. So in the one category that is of UPMOST importance for the CiC (the safety and welfare of the American People) he can proudly hang a "Mission Accomplished" banner.


    Was, he a good president............. No, not really. To many missteps and blunders along the way the way. A lot of stuff still to get ironed out before he gets given a final grade, including the economy, which will be his BIGGEST anchor mark my words.

    My guess, He'll be viewed as average in the long run, in just about the same spot as his old man.

    Worst ever............. nope, not a chance. That's for the over emotional dicks that still masturbate themselves at the thought of him sitting in jail on Cheney's lap. :rolleyes: Many of those people right on this forum.

    History will likely view him much softer then most of you people may realize.

    I certainly did not agree with a ton of stuff he did, and I don't think that ultimately you would consider me a supporter of his anymore, but for one. I think he's earned the gratitude of me and my family. I personally wish him a happy retirement.

    for the record........ I think Obama will have some success as POTUS, and I think he will be much more pragmatic as he goes forward. I wish him well.
     
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    People around the world also cheered on 9/11. I could give a **** less what the world thinks.
     
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    Those who cheered 9/11 were not civilized societies. Like it or not, what the "world thinks" has an impact on our daily lives. A lot of our taxpayer dollars are invested in that.
     
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    Of course they were having party's, now they can sh!t all over us and probably kill some of us.
     
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