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  1. KY Pats Fan

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    article on marcus stroud at profootballtalk. the final paragraph states that Ty Warren may be on the bubble if he doesn't have a strong camp. Got to be just idle babble from the writer.
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    I think the only way Warren is on the bubble would be if doesnt return to health. When Healthy he easily our second best dlinemen.

    But the position is deep and a lot of the depth was hurt last year which might highlight having healthier players as the hurt players didnt help much from the tub down the stretch last year.
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    Most national media gets it's insight from locals and Rappaport for one has opined that the team was not pleased with Warren's decision to forego off season surgery for some time only to opt to have it done in lieu of this season which left them shorthanded. If they feel they've not gotten value from him to date they may decide to move on as was reportedly the case with Seymour following his 2006 deal.
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    hasn't played much in recent years and is on the wrong side of 30. Of course he's on the bubble.
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    I mean come on, the guy skipped the off season so he get a degree and then he puts off surgery until training camp. He needs to prove he can still play.
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    Stroud strikes me as a two point signing. First as contingency plan for Warren, and second as someone to split time with a developmental rookie right end. Warren will likely land on the PUP, but barring his injury being a Bo Jacksonian death blow he will absolutely make the team.
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    I would like to think having the surgery late last summer would mean he wouldnt need PUP.
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    It's a hip, man. Most important part of the body in football. Every bit of training you do comes from there. I could be wrong, but I bet it took along time for him to be able to train again.
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    damn it Jim I am not a doctor I only play one on TV
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    but didn't he have the hip surgery last year at the beginning of the season. He has been rehabbing since then, correct? I would think that if that is the case, then there wouldn't be any reason he isn't healthy enough for camp.
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    Rosie Colvin had a difficult rehab. Never had the speed and power return.
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    Colvin had a different surgery. Colvin totally dislocated his hip which is potentially career threatening. Warren had a torn labrum which is far less severe.
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    No reason a professional athlete can't get back on the field 12 months after torn labrum surgery. Whether he's effective is another question completely.
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    I had a conversation with a person whose daughters boyfriend cousins nephew heard that Ty Warren was not on the bubble.

    The nephew of the daughters boyfriends cousin read an on line article from web site that credited and unknown publication saying Ty Warren was not on the bubble.

    I hope that this clears things up.
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    I believe it was said to be a 6 month rehab at the time which begged the question why had he not dealt with it in the offseason of last year or even the year before (since it had reportedly been bothering him for a couple of years).
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    So how do you project the current situation and surgery of Aaron Hernandez then, jay? Same thing I assume?

    Is PUP a serious possibility for Hernandez in your opinion? It is in mine, especially considering that he only recently (6-8 weeks IIRC) actually had the surgery. I'd be surprised if he returns to play half the season, but I don't want to sound pessimistic either.
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    Not to take it off topic again w/ Hernandez, but where does his situation lie in this equation? I'd imagine it's closer to Warren's than it is to Colvin's, but to be honest, I really have not read too much on the specifics.

    What is your opinion on the matter? I myself am somewhat scared that A. Hernandez's injury may be a little worse than most think. Then again, I am a worry wart sometimes too ;)
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    I have no idea, dude, none at all. Even if I tried to infer anything from the moment of injury I'd be full of cheet. The only thing I have to base an opinion on is the fact that he got reps post injury and wasn't immediately tossed on IR. In the playoffs you obviously need every body available and unless we're talking a guy with Tom Brady type importance it doesn't make sense to give up a roster spot for hopes of a Superbowl recovery. So, yeah, I'd expect him to be good to go.

    Ty Warren on the other hand, had a torn hip labrum that required surgery which is typically a four to six month recovery time. Tack on two months to recover the atrophied muscle and another two or three to get back into shape to be able to train at a high level. From there I'd assume another two months until we're talking playing condition.

    I really have no clue but I think we're talking two completely different injuries.
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    Thanks for the response man, much appreciated. Only time will tell I suppose.
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    On the other hand he is BY FAR the best DE on the roster, so I don/t know how that puts him on any type of bubble.
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    Marcus Stroud is 33 Gerard Warren is 33 Mike Wright is a ?

    fact is the pats have a lot of DE's on the roster but none of them are any good so if Ty Warren, can get on the field even if he is not as good as he was he is still by far the best DE on the roster right now
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    No idea where this rumor comes from !!

    He missed 1 yr and is a very strong DE presence . He signed a below market deal which makes him a real steal now. makes no sense.

    he is our starting DE. It was reported he was training with the team facility from week 6 or so from last year. In many of chats on espn resis indicated that ty is indeed training in foxboro during the season.,

    so the guy has been training and working for close to a year is not healty any more ?
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    How is Ty Warrens injury automatically worse in your mind? Ty supposedly played two seasons fairly effectively before deciding to have the surgery while Hernandez tryed to finish out one season and was not very effective after the injury and then had the surgery right away.

    I would say it is highly possible Hernandez's injury might be worse than Warren's was. I would also say it is possible Warren did more damage playing on it 2 years and could be worse off. But the one thing that I dont think is too crazy to surmise is that neither should be close to as bad as Colvins who struggled to walk off the field and who has no questions that he could not play thru the injury.

    Now as I joked before I am not doctor and I can only go off the little info we have and what we do know says to me that there is a good chance Warren will not need PUP. Might it be needed sure but no reason to think at this point it has to be the case unless you have more medical info that I do and a better ability to diagnose the info.
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    He IS? How can you possibly know that? He didn't play at all last year and was constantly banged up in 2009 and 2008. The last time he was consistently good was 2007. He is on the bubble in the sense that he will compete for a job and right now there are significant questions as to whether he will be able to win any such competition.
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    he's on the books for 3.1M for 2011.......there's no urgency to bag him
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    Agreed. After 7.5 sacks during one season ( 2006 I believe ), Warren now has a total of 3 sacks in the last 3 seasons ( 2008, 2009, & 2010 ). After being durable earlier in his career, Warren has missed , 3 games in 2008, 3 games in 2009 , and all 16 games in 2010. Recovery from a hip injury after the age of 30 for a 300 plus pound man will not make him more durable. He is also one of the highest paid NE Patriots.

    Seems far from a certainty he stays healthy and is a solid contributor to the Pats in 2011.
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    Remember Hernandez was the youngest player in the NFL last season. Easier for such a young man to bounce back from injury than a 300 plus pound man on the wrong side of 30.
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    Reportedly was away from the team at that team working on his college degree for when he retires.
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    If he's completely healthy, there aren't 5 guys in the NFL who could do his job better. The big key is being healthy, but I've always been optimistic.
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    OMG.. He was away from the team working on his college degree during the off-season. Something that the team (and LEAGUE) reward, btw. Something that BB gave his BLESSING on. Yet, you believe that the Patriots didn't want him to do it and that they will hold it against him.. :rolleyes:
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