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    Wow what a bunch of haters. People today are ignorant and uneducated. I hope Brady wins 2 more, and then it will be spyware again! Lol
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    The NFLN allows Warner and Faulk to spew this crap over and over again with no apparent obligation to present an opposing opinion. The only conclusion one can arrive at is that the league believes they're correct. In addition, the universal lack of a vigorous denial/defense from anyone, particularly former Patriots players and/or team officials, would seem to represent tacit agreement with the accusers. Neutral observers can only conclude that Kraft, Belichick and the rest are either gutless or guilty.
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    Their ignorance is allowed to flourish due to our franchise's unwillingness or inability to defend itself. If you won't defend yourself, you can't expect anyone to do it for you.
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    A. it makes for good ratings to have an evil empire and play to the preconceptions of 80% of the country

    B. What part of NFLn don't you understand. Let me rephrase the name of the network for you the: 'Dont-make-the-commish-look-bad Network'. His own network is NOT going to go out and point out how fraudulent, petty, and outrageous his decisions in regard to this were.
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    Nothing but sore losers. They don't want to blame themselves for taking the 'inferior' pats to lightly and losing to them, so its much easier on the ego to say the pats must have cheated. FVK um, i hope it keeps knawing on them
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    NFL network has not been worth watching since adam schefter, left
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    yeah, the rams never taped signals. whatever. let them cry all they want. makes the win that much sweeter.
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    Maybe there's another (or another 20) conclusion to come to.How about concluding that the penalty would have been far more harsh had they vigorously denied the charges? Maybe their response or lack thereof was part of a deal that put the Pats under a gag order in exchange for allowing BB to coach? And do you seriously think it's in BB's nature to go on tv and bring his case to the public?
    I can see why people like Warner and Faulk won't let this die, but I'm mystified as to why supposed PatsFans like yourself keep stirring the ch!t.
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    I'm not stirring anything. What I am is pissed off, and I'll continue to be pissed off, that this franchise has left its self-proclaimed most valued commodity, its fans, holding the effing bag when other teams' fans everywhere call the team a collection of cheating frauds. If you think not talking about this episode when it's brought up will somehow magically make it go away, your head is in the sand.
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    You're absolutely right. The Saints came out swinging in response to a controversy that, at the time, was blown up just as much as SpyGate was. BountyGate was also a lot more recent. Now ask yourself this: when was the last time you even heard anything about BountyGate?
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    The blame for the sackless conduct by the Pats rests solely on Bob Kraft. His business style is conciliation and compromise. Here we see how it plays out for us fans as outside of NE we're perpetually castigated as cheaters by fans across the country. It was BB's mess but Kraft cleaned it up. Went way overboard in the process for the so-called good of the league.
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    Two things I always bring up about the Rams.

    1. Someone was taping Patriots practice from a hotel window prior to the Super Bowl. NFL security saw it but the person was gone when they went to investigate.

    2. During the Rams' walkthrough, they only practiced red zone plays. Guess what? The Patriots never stopped the Rams in the red zone in the Super Bowl.
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    Yup. It would have been ridiculously easy to hammer the haters and the media about that one. Instead, the team just took it and still, six years later, we're still hearing about it.
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    Your article is right here.

    My memory may be off, but I believe the overwhelming reaction to that story (note that it's not even the headline of the article) was a shrug of the shoulders, even among Patriots fans. As far as I know, the league never investigated that incident, beyond using binoculars to look at the house. And outside of this article, I don't remember any crusading journalists expounding on the situation.

    We all know Marshall Faulk doesn't hide his dislike for the Patriots and his theories about SB36, but, in a way, I think Warner is just as bad. Warner has the reputation as a "good guy," not only for his faith but for winning a NFL Man of the Year award. But this classy, high-character, role model type of guy can never seem to just say "It's disappointing, but we just got outplayed that day" and move on. He's always got to work in his "doubts" or "questions." And he brings them up as often as Faulk does.

    As far as refuting the story, one thing I wish someone (former player, media person w/o a grudge) would do is question the Rams' version of the walkthrough. We heard a few months ago how Barrett Robbins from the Raiders flipped out in part because Callahan changed the game plan a few days before the SB. The Rams want everyone to believe that, the day before the game, in front of friends, family, and media members, and on a field with risers on it for a team picture, Martz & Co. introduced a package of brand new plays and formations that they had never used before. And the team mastered these new schemes in that brief session enough that everyone felt confident in using them the next day in one of the biggest games in their careers. It just doesn't add up.
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    Yeah but I believe the pats organization is taking the high road. Because guaranteed something would have been twisted by the media. We just have to accept the fact that we are the most hated team but our success has almost been mirrored. Minus 2 lucky plays we are 5-0 in SB's in the Brady era. Main point is if we can have a good d we have a offense that can score points. But putting the whole pressure on Brady to direct a O against the best D and not have a d to stop the other teams O.
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    I have an alternate theory. The Rams weren't good enough on that day.
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    They are already on record, the Rams only practiced red zone plays. That means that even if Walsh made a tape, it had no impact on the game.
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    I think it goes beyond him. He has bosses also.
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    I think Vrabel cheated up to the line, then Law cheated off the receiver and they picked him clean. Damn cheaters.
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    Seems to me that alot of us ourselves are having issues moving on from the whole thing. Seriously who cares
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    It's no big thing UNLESS you talk with NFL fans when you're outside of NE. Then it's all you hear. Get a clue.
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    You're right, PWP. If you don't travel outside of NE, you are able to enjoy relative immunity from the hatred and scorn. However, anywhere else you go if you identify yourself as a NE fan or, worse, wear Patriots' gear you're asking for trouble. It's not an exaggeration nor is it just here or there. It's everywhere. And the claim from other teams' fans is always the same: if it wasn 't a big deal, why was the penalty so harsh?; and if it wasn't a big deal why didn't NE defend itself? I'd be curious how those who dismiss this so easily would answer those questions face-to-face with other teams' fans.
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    Most other teams fans like to have it both ways. They'll say "If it wasn't a big deal why was the penalty so harsh, huh?" and then in the same breath "Man, they're such cheaters...the penalty should have been way harsher!" Can't have it both ways, guys.

    We need to enjoy the fact that we are still so hated. It means we are still successful and still an elite team, even 8 years after our last Super Bowl win.

    Also, I went to The Hall back in December and I checked. There is no tarnish whatsoever on the Patriots 3 Lombardi Trophies. Let the crybaby fans and the players that can't accept getting beat by the better team fall back on this excuse. It's still just that; an excuse.
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    There's no denying that others won't let it go. But we're really not letting go of it either and continuing to give the Faulks and Warners attention, on our board designed for discussion about our team.
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    With all due respect, and I mean that, this topic IS discussion about our team and how it's perceived outside of our provincial cocoon. Pretending that it's not a bid deal will not prevent it from being a big deal. I'm not saying that we need to be preoccupied or obsessed by it, but ignoring it only makes our team, and us by association, look more guilty. The only way this will ever fade into obscurity is via a full-blown frontal assault by Bob Kraft and the team's administration and we all know that's not going to happen. My passion about this topic is directly proportional to how much I love this team, and it makes me sick that my team refuses to defend itself. An astute observer earlier noted how Bountygate faded quickly into obscurity because the Saints had the intestinal fortitude to say, "Screw you - we're not going to take this lying down." Good for them, at least we know their gonads aren't pebble-sized.
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    im glad we are still talking about this 7 years later
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