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    Let's hope the improvements continue, so that our boys and girls can come home, and Iraq can move to becoming a safer place for it's people.


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    The evidence of a drop in violence in Iraq is becoming hard to dispute.

    Sunday, October 14, 2007; Page B06

    washingtonpost.com

    NEWS COVERAGE and debate about Iraq during the past couple of weeks have centered on the alleged abuses of private security firms like Blackwater USA. Getting such firms into a legal regime is vital, as we've said. But meanwhile, some seemingly important facts about the main subject of discussion last month -- whether there has been a decrease in violence in Iraq -- have gotten relatively little attention. A congressional study and several news stories in September questioned reports by the U.S. military that casualties were down. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), challenging the testimony of Gen. David H. Petraeus, asserted that "civilian deaths have risen" during this year's surge of American forces.

    A month later, there isn't much room for such debate, at least about the latest figures. In September, Iraqi civilian deaths were down 52 percent from August and 77 percent from September 2006, according to the Web site icasualties.org. The Iraqi Health Ministry and the Associated Press reported similar results. U.S. soldiers killed in action numbered 43 -- down 43 percent from August and 64 percent from May, which had the highest monthly figure so far this year. The American combat death total was the lowest since July 2006 and was one of the five lowest monthly counts since the insurgency in Iraq took off in April 2004.


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    During the first 12 days of October the death rates of Iraqis and Americans fell still further. So far during the Muslim month of Ramadan, which began Sept. 13 and ends this weekend, 36 U.S. soldiers have been reported as killed in hostile actions. That is remarkable given that the surge has deployed more American troops in more dangerous places and that in the past al-Qaeda has staged major offensives during Ramadan. Last year, at least 97 American troops died in combat during Ramadan. Al-Qaeda tried to step up attacks this year, U.S. commanders say -- so far, with stunningly little success.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/13/AR2007101301071.html
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    This won't get much play in the Lefty Media, but Fox and the Post will stay with it.

    Cute Perky Katie wants "bad news" thats what gets her all excited, watch how fast this thread dies out right here.

    What the Left Wing wants is the Obituary Column, the Body Count, story's about our troops raping little girls, killing civilians, killing each other, PHONY SOLDIERS trashing America, and as John Fonda Kerry said "terrorizing family's in the dead of night".

    IF WE WIN YOU WILL PEOBABLY NEVER KNOW IT.
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    The drop in violence is certainly good news and some are even saying that Al Qaeda may be beaten in Iraq:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/15/iraq/main3366346.shtml

    But, the approach we used to do this appears to have involved forming a lot of local alliances, rather than working with the pathetically weak national government. If the violence is truly coming to a close, will we be able to bring the various factions together to form some sort of stable government? I think we have a very difficult road ahead, and Iraq will remain a breeding ground for terrorists for a long time to come.

    P.S. Interesting that the relatively liberal CBS and Washington Post are covering these stories.
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    It is considering how negatively the MSM has been with respect to this war. Obviously I want what's best for all parties involved. The road is certainly going to be dangerous, and bumpy, but first and foremost, it's a good thing that we at least seem to be driving in the right direction.
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    There are times Patters when you are truly "fair and balanced" Megga Dittos :rocker:
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    I guess the news should just be ignoring Blackwater atrocities and reporting how great our occupation of Iraq is because only half the amount of innocent civilians are being killed. CNN et. al., which is all corporate garbage, has reported this, but they don't dwell on it and try to pat everyone on the back with it like Fox News etc. does because PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING.
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    Save the children!
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    Thank you, Harry. But, deep down, you must realize that liberals only want what's best for the country. We just often disagree on what's best.
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    Drop in violence, huh?
    NEAT-O!
    Just another reason to leave our kids there to get mutilated and killed by ungrateful POS Iraqis who won't fight for their own "freedom".

    YEEAAYY!

    Arguement: ..."But if we leave, there'll be even more violence once again! We have to stay because ....because....if we leave, there'll be more voilence...and stuff..."

    Iraqi lazy arse slackers: "SUCKAHS!
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    More Iraqis have died because of our invasion than under Saddam. Why doesn't someone poll the Iraqi people about their views toward the United States? Oh wait they have, but American media doesn't report it on a large scale.
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    That's not what the left wants though
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    In the meantime no one can drive cars in Fallujah, people are afraid to leave their houses and the bad guys are biding their time, you cannot wipe all the angry folk out... they will be there and our actions only create more and more extremists who hate us.

    I always find it interesting to hear that Al Quaeda is almost wiped out in Iraq, they were not there until we invaded that country.
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    I agree with the muiddle part. The first and last part I couldn't give a flying fu-k about!:mad:
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    They are not extremists. The occupants of the White House are the extremists. It could be argued that Iraqis attacking US forces in Iraq are reacting normally, although not rationally. What would Americans do in their position? The White House is not reacting normally or rationally.
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    How dare you post that "good news" crap Real World, we'll never lose the war if you keep this up. :rolleyes:
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    .

    Gee, maybe there's still time for Hillary to change her position, yet again.


    She can't help; it runs in her (Clinton) family.

    Does she bite her lower lip, too??


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    Actually, Hillary has played this very cleverly and it has cost her quite a bit of liberal backing. But, if the Iraq situation should really stabilize, she's still well positioned. That said, while the recent news is good, I truly doubt that real progress in Iraq will happen anytime soon. Our military strategy has in effect created various warlords at the expense of the national government. I think we will find it hard to undo that and sooner or later we will pay a price, but maybe it was the only choice we had given the disastrous situation we created.
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    Well, you should give a flying **** about it all. You may not like having to, but you should.
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    Hillary has "positioned" herself in so many places she can say she supported whatever happens there. She's a smarmy pol, period. She wants power, period. That makes her a danger to America and the world.


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    Oh, OK....I will since you make such a great arguement for it.

    Why should I, again?:confused:

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