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  1. Absurdly Metro

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    I just read the transcript of Mike Vrabels comments with the Kansas City media today and found myself convinced that, while he doesn't say it, Mike Vrabel is clearly pissed at BB for trading him.

    Check it out...

    Notice he doesn't answer the question with a strong "That's not true." Instead he answers with a hazy "I wouldn't say that is necessarily true." His language leaves several possible interpretations as to what someone could say about the situation. Vrabel himself wouldn't say that is necessarily true but someone else might be able to say it. Also why does he qualify the truth by putting the word necessarily in front of it? What does that mean exactly anyway?



    Again, instead of plainly stating, "That's not accurate" he muddies the water so that we don't really know how accurate it is. I mean how can we know if Vrable himself doesn't know.

    And then we have what may be a thinly veiled shot at Bill Belichick...

    While I wouldn't say this IS necessarily a thinly veiled shot at BB, I don't know how accurate it is to say it isn't. :D

    What do you think? Is Mike Vrabel pissed at BB for trading him to Kansas City?
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Does Vrabel know why he was traded? Probably.

    Is he ever going to tell us why? Probably not.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Mods: Please move to linguistics forum.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    If you listen to the interview (off kcchiefs.com) right after they ask him "so what's the patriot way" he respongs "well you'd have to ask someone who plays for the patriots"
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Who cares if he is sour or not. I heard a interview with Vrable and he thought he was going to be selling insurance after his time with Pitt. was done. BB gave him a chance and Vrable has made alot of money so I could care less.

    Vrable owes more to BB than BB owes to Vrable. The guys is set for life, he should have no problem what so ever.

    The mark I always use if Joe Montana was let go, then anybody in the NFL can be let go.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Why shouldn't he be a little upset?

    We were all a little stunned. Imagine how he felt, and he's the one who has to move the family and find a new place up in Kansas City.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Don't blame him if he does have sour grapes about the situation.

    Had the Pats released him, he could had earned a three year deal with another team with a decent signing bonus. Publicly it looks like he was traded for nothing. And I doubt he feels good about how last season turned out and this is injury to insult, if nothing else.

    But the Pats did give him an option. As a Pat, he got his rings (which is something a few guys would love to have). He got paid and now gets the op to do much more in KC than he could in NE in 2009.

    Good luck to him!
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    He'll get over it... I have. I'm a Patriots fan. I appreciate all the work and all the plays Vrabel added to the team. Move on.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    I think it's a stretch of the imagination. Looks to me like you were seeking a reason out to claim sour grapes.

    Seems to me that Belichick was going to cut Vrabel. He cost too much on the cap for a player of declining production. Vrabel knew this. Pioli knows this, since Pioli has cap room to spare and a roster to build from scratch.

    I think Vrabel has hit that wall where the natural athleticism is no longer there. He can still get by on veteran wile and hard work and smarts, but he can't overpower or chase down NFL players anymore. When was the last time you saw Vrabel regularly playing in space, or closing in on the QB? He is of value as a leader to a team that can afford him. He is not of value here anymore, not much more than Bruschi, who can be had much cheaper.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Hmm.......




    Has anyone tried to listen to it backwards?
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Sounds just like "Yellow submarine".
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    OMG when I listen to it backwards it says "We must all worship Bill Beelzebubchick!"
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Are we really this petty? :confused2:
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    I doubt he was surprised, I bet BB went to Vrabel so see if he would take a lower salary to free up some cap space and he probably wasnt to receptive about doing it. BB did him a favor by trading him to KC, now he collects his bonus and full salary. I doubt theres any sour grapes.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    From some of the players not resigned by the Pats, I take it BB really looked at some tape in the offseason.

    Good job BB, more speed please.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    One mans petty is another mans curiousity. I remember reading an article about people who detect lies by looking at language. Guys like OJ and Michael Jackson were shown to consistently use evasive or ambiguous language and habitually couched their denials in opinion rather than directly answering them. This Vrabel interview reminded me of that. IMO he's not answering the questions truthfully. Petty? Perhaps in the grand scheme of life on planet Earth. But then again, by that standard, so is just about everything on this board.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    You actually expect him to say he DID NOT want to leave the Patriots when he is at a press conference for his new team? Are you serious?

    That's like you going on an interveiw for a new job and the boss of the new company saying is it true you didn't want to leave your last job... and you answering "yes, I'd rather still be at the other company".

    He had to answer the questions the way he did.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Umm, no he didn't. Here is his response according to the transcript posted by Christopher Price:
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    Re: Vrabel sour grapes

    This post is part of the reason some athletes don't like playing in Boston.

    Let's not twist Vrabel's words. Let's remember him as a key and loyal Patriot
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Holy crap, it sounds like he's saying "Tom is dead."
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    In the case of some - yes.

    Everyone who stays is wonderful, everyone who leaves is an ungrateful POS - even those like Vrabel who didn't leave of their own choice.
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Sure, maybe Vrabel's a little bitter. And maybe that sorta could be implied from a couple of his comments. If you want to see ungrateful or bitter, go like at some of Shaq's recent comments. Vrabel was an awesome Patriot, and I'm not going to read a whole lot into what he said. If nothing else, he has enough respect for the Pats to leave it (at most) implied.
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    Re: Vrabel sour grapes

    Did Vrabel ever strike fans as particularly talkative in interviews? He is matter of fact. TO he is not. The answers sound typical of Vrabel, loyal to the team he plays for and with the right frame of mind for the job at hand.

    I'll leave the detailed psychological profiling to those obviously more qualified than myself by virtue of their diligent study of the actors in Criminal Minds, but I do not read Vrabel as negative at all in his interview.

    Vrabel was a big part of the Pats for the past several years and now he plays for the Chiefs. Appreciate what he did while with the Pats and understand he is not going to say "it sucks I don't play for the Pats anymore" as a veteran leader for the Chiefs.
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    Re: Vrabel sour grapes

    Clearly? Hardly. I suppose if you are wearing a tin foil helmet, yeah, you could read whatever you wanted into anything, but if he was pleased, pissed or indifferent, I could imagine him saying pretty much the same thing.
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    Re: Vrabel sour grapes

    I work on Maui and Vrable, Matt Light and some others came into the restaurant I work in. They were attending the NFLPA meetings that are held out here. All of them were great guys, really down to earth. One of my good friends was taking care of them, when they left she yelled, "Go Pats!". Vrable responded, "Yeah, or whatever other team is paying me!". So I think Vrable is very aware of the business side of football and is not bitter.
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    Re: Vrabel sour grapes

    Vrabel is a class guy who played every game, and played them hard. If I were going to one of the worst teams in the game, from one of the best, I'd be pissed too. Good Luck Mike V, and stay healthy.
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    Re: Vrabel sour grapes

    Interesting. I'm sure it wasn't a shock to him. Was that before or after the trade?
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    Re: Vrabel sour grapes

    I think you're reaching at straws here... in every quote that you posted, all the words that you made bold are clear Belichick-speak. Vrabes is going to coach one day, and he learned handling the media from the Jedi Master. Is he happy with the trade? I doubt it, but he's not going to let his emotions rule his words. He's a TEAM guy. He's not going to overtly bad mouth his old team, or his new team.


    Sounds more like a veiled shot at the Ray Lewis's of the world. (I think you bolded the wrong part of that paragraph)

    Again, I'm sure he's not thrilled... he gave part of his heart and soul to this team, but I'd be willing to bet that in his heart of hearts, he saw the writing on the wall, knows this business is a business, and appreciates it could have been handled much worse for him. ...of course that won't stop him from playing with a chip on his shoulder and pissed as hell, he learned how to take someone breathing in his general direction as a sign of disrespect from the master, Rodney. :)

    All I got was "Bwwwwiiiilllll Bwwweeeeelichick is the debil... Bwwwwiiiilllll Bwwweeeeelichick is the debil..."
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    grasping at straws i think.he also says this
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    Re: Vrabel Sour Grapes??

    Spot on!

    I couldn't agree more.

    Put yourself in his shoes.

    You tell me what YOU would think...
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