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    http://newdeal.feri.org/wallace/haw23.htm

    In 1944, the New York Times asked FDR's Vice President, Henry Wallace, to answer the following questions: What is a fascist? How many fascists do we have in America? How dangerous are they? Wallace's answers were published on April 9 of that year. If he only knew how relavant his words would stand today.

    The really dangerous American fascist ... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist, the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public, but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power.

    They claim to be superpatriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjugation.

    Several leaders of industry in this country who have gained a new vision of the meaning of opportunity through co-operation with government have warned the public openly that there are some selfish groups in industry who are willing to jeopardize the structure of American liberty to gain some temporary advantage. We all know the part that the cartels played in bringing Hitler to power, and the rule the giant German trusts have played in Nazi conquests. Monopolists who fear competition and who distrust democracy because it stands for equal opportunity would like to secure their position against small and energetic enterprise. In an effort to eliminate the possibility of any rival growing up, some monopolists would sacrifice democracy itself.

    It has been claimed at times that our modern age of technology facilitates dictatorship. What we must understand is that the industries, processes, and inventions created by modern science can be used either to subjugate or liberate. The choice is up to us. The myth of fascist efficiency has deluded many people. It was Mussolini's vaunted claim that he "made the trains run on time." In the end, however, he brought to the Italian people impoverishment and defeat. It was Hitler's claim that he eliminated all unemployment in Germany. Neither is there unemployment in a prison camp.

    Democracy to crush fascism internally must demonstrate its capacity to "make the trains run on time." It must develop the ability to keep people fully employed and at the same time balance the budget. It must put human beings first and dollars second. It must appeal to reason and decency and not to violence and deceit. We must not tolerate oppressive government or industrial oligarchy in the form of monopolies and cartels. As long as scientific research and inventive ingenuity outran our ability to devise social mechanisms to raise the living standards of the people, we may expect the liberal potential of the United States to increase. If this liberal potential is properly channeled, we may expect the area of freedom of the United States to increase. The problem is to spend up our rate of social invention in the service of the welfare of all the people.
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    Wallace it is now revealed was a NKVD operative ( not the only one in FDR's administration BTW) it has been revealed in KGB files from the old Solviet Union.


    http://www.metronc.com/article/?id=458

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    LOL... i knew it... you really are the re-incarnation of junior senator Joe McCarthy... Wallace broke from the Progressive Party BECAUSE it had been infiltrated by communist elements... but of course, to guys like you, anyone who so much as had a shot of vodka should be investigated...
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    Yeah the KGB were always kidding in their files. Just because they said he was one of their agents, NBD right?

    Heck you would welcome input on getting communist in the government.
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    Regardless, the Wallace quote is excellent, but I think it can be more easily directed at someone like Rupert Murdoch than George Bush.
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    Yeah, the quote is "excellent", just disregard the source completely:rolleyes:


    So if Michael Jackson said Bill Clinton and Rudy Guliani were poor fathers, it would be an excellent point, and we should disregard that Michael Jackson is himself a homosexual pedophile.
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    Right and Mussolini made the trains run on time.
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    Hey, we can't *all* be re-incarnations of Senator McCarthy!! The poor boy will be spinning in his grave!! Literally!



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    KGB: known for their sense of humor. :rolleyes: Makes gallows humor something from Mr. Rogers.




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    Well, obviously there are those on the right, like patsfan13, who believe Wallace was anti-American, but it seems to me the evidence is more for the conspiracy minded than the serious student of history. (At least, I'm having trouble finding good corroborating sites.)

    On the other hand, Wallace certainly must have made enemies on the right given some of his beliefs:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace

    After Truman fired Wallace as Sec'y of Commerce because he was not hard line against the Soviet Union.... "he made an unsuccessful run as a Progressive Party candidate in the 1948 U.S. presidential election. His platform advocated an end to segregation, full voting rights for blacks, and universal government health insurance. His campaign was unusual for his time in that it included African American candidates campaigning alongside white candidates in the American South, and during the campaign he refused to appear before segregated audiences or eat or stay in segregated establishments."
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    Hey Patters you might try Google'n Henry Wallace and NKVD then check the results.
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    I did and you don't find much. The first result was from the right wing National Review. This is what it had to say about Wallace...

    http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-herman121802.asp

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    Try the book the Spying Game which used original documents to document a meeting he requested with the head of the NKVD in the US, or that he had Alger Hiss on his staff.
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    You don't really find many credible links. I was looking for MSM or scholarly articles from someone other than conservative groups. The best reference to it comes from National Review, which certainly has a strong bias. You have to admit, Patsfan13, this seems a little melodramatic:

    "The fact that Roosevelt survived three months into an unprecedented fourth term in the White House deprived Soviet intelligence of what would have been its most spectacular success in penetrating a major Western government. The NKVD (the forerunner of the KGB) succeeded, nonetheless, in penetrating all the most sensitive sections of the Roosevelt administration. The Democrats dropped Wallace as FDRs running mate for the 1944 presidential race, depriving him of the presidency and the opportunity to establish a Soviet-appointed Cabinet."
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    The comparison between Fascists and Communists is hilarious. Wallace may have been a socialist, and that's his problem, but being a socialist puts him on the far left of the political spectrum. Fascists are on the far right of the same political spectrum. There's no irony in his characterization as far as his politics go. There is an uncanny resemblance to our modern corporate government, though.
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    "He who makes the money, makes the rules"... isn't that essentially fascism? borne of Capitalism, which is very right wing... even Mussolini said fascism should be called corporativism -- the perfect merger between the corporation and the state... that's what fascism IS...

    America: From Freedom to Fascism
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    So, we all know that problems exist in modern corporate culture. Why not begin a list of what specific problems you have with this culture, *AND* what your counter-proposal might be. Lay it out for dissection and debate.



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    I'll assume you're talking to me. Why don't you put out your counter-proposal for the American corporate system? What would YOU do differently??

    This is not a trick question; I'd like to hear your ideas, what you think can be done better than what already exists. To me, this is an open-ended question. A lot of different ideas/proposals/suggestions are needed to make things better. Who knows, you might have the missing piece of the puzzle!!


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