Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by the taildragger, May 8, 2006.
how do you define greatness?
Brady - duh. Best player in the league at the most important and difficult position.
i was 100% you was going to make a poll...
it will be a battle between 3 in my opinion: Brady, Hannah and perhaps Haynes
Steve Nelson didn't make the list?
only had 10 slots. probably should've put an "other" category to capture gro, nelson, bru, harrison, law et al....
this team should probably be better represented...but whatever.
i picked TB based solely on his career to this point...not potential.
it's time for a "ring of honor" at Gillette!
I think you should only include PAST Pats. Including players who are still playing leaves too much uncertainty and just leaves too much room for expectation and speculation. Remove all current players and run it again.
I agree. I would also recommend adding a few others to the mix - namely Steve Grogan and Stanley Morgan. Everyone defines "greatness" differently. Good topic, BTW.
Hannah and Haynes both made the NFL 75th year anniversary team IIRC. However Brady has been the QB of 3 SB winners which is very rarified air. Depending on how the rest of his career unfolds, he could become the greatest QB in the history of the NFL.
Brady. Not just the fact that it's current, he's WHY we've won Super Bowls, more than any other player. To me there isn't even a question.
Harrison one of the greatest pats ever? you have to be kidding me even to consider it.
For a QB, anyway, I define greatness as consistently leading your team to the playoffs on a year-in/year-out basis AND leading your team to at least one championship.
Brady, Elway, Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw, and Staubach are examples great QBs.
Culpepper, McNair, Dilfer, Marino, and any QB with the last name of Manning (though some are "good" or "near-great") are examples of QBs that are not great.
Bill Belichick !
He masterminded the transition from Patsies to Champions
Hog Hannah ... The only player on that list that was a Pat from start to finish AND made the HoF AND redefined the position AND is considered the best ever at his position.
1st Brady: 40 votes
2nd Hannah: 6 votes
for the moment...
You should have a spot for Grogan too, but its Brady by a long shot... who voted for Bledsoe???
I agree. People get blinded by what is, anf forget others. I am amzazed that Brady has so large a percentage of votes. Maybe they never saw Cappilletti play CB and WR, then kick the extra point after scoring.
I cannot believe someone voted for Bledsoe.
For me this is a no brainer. It's Hannah. The primary reason I chose Hannah is because his greatness is defined by how he dominated his played position and for how extended a period of time he did so.
No other player on the list can boast of such long term domination to the degree that Hannah did. Quite frankly, it's not even close.
You're right...It's BRADY all day-every day!
If Brady is able to dominate his poistion as Hannah did for the rest of his career then you might be correct. Until that time, it's not even close.
No Patriot ever dominated his peers as Hannah did and for as long as he did. Sorry!
I am very surprised Armstrong isn't on this list.
Played his entire 14 years with the Pats. Had his jersey retired. Named to Pats 35th anniversary team as well as Pats team of the century. Went to 6 pro bowls. Never missed a game.
This is greatness folks!
Finally, someone else gives Bruce some props! Too bad it had to be a crazy canuck! :rofl:
He HAS got to be on the list and you all should vote for him! Total package, class act leader, etc.... I said it all in the other thread! VOTE FOR BRUCE!
No other patriot player defines "Patriot" type player better than BRUCE ARMSTRONG and he didn't before/without BB, SP, Kraft, $$ or hype.
Agree, he should have made the list. I still would have voted for who I did, but Bruce should be there.
I'd go one further and say Bob Kraft. Where would be without him?
The St. Louis or Jacksonville Patriots? Ugh, what a horrifying thought.
BTW, Gino gets my vote. Brady still has many more accolades ahead of him. I'll vote for him when he retires. Gino was and IS still the man.
A true class act and a true Patriot.
I voted Brady.
Without a doubt in my mind, it can only be the man behind center that first led a cinderella team to one of the most amazing upsets in Super Bowl history. That in itself might be enough to make him the GPP of all time but if that doesn't convince you, than how about 2 more SuperBowl victories in a row!?
And he is not through, yet.
No one else is even close.
I can understand the votes for Hog Hannah, though.
He was at least one of the greatest guards (if not THE best) in NFL history.
And he IS the only current lifetime Patriot in the HOF.
Is there anybody out there who does not think Brady will not be a first time ballot entry? Come on.
I loved Willie too, of course. He's a top ten greatest Pat in my mind.
Drew Bledsoe might make the top ten list for me too because he helped bring us some semblance of notoriety and a taste of the superbowl.
But I remember screaming at the TV for Carroll to bench him because he played so poorly so frequently.
My buddy felt the same way. One day I saked him how he thought the Pats would do the upcoming year (99) and he proclaimed.....
"The Patriots will never go anywhere as long as Drew Bledsoe is Quarterback"
LOL! What a prophet, huh.
Buonoconti and Haynes do not belong on the list because they are in the HOF wearing someone elses helmet.
I can't believe thereare no votes for Tippett. He owns the franchise sack record by a mile, and is one of the greatest OLB of all time IMO, and is at least one of the most underrated greats at the position. He belongs in the Hall and the only other OLB in there is LT, who is arguably the greatest defender of all time yet Tippett still has numbers that are relatively comparable to his. Wher is the love for Andre?
it really looks like Tom Brady is the # 1...
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